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		<title>By: joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree.  But y&#039;know - what is good for the goose is good for the gander.  I want the right to call the IDF generals war criminals.  If that means that Zionists want to call Sizer names that is up to them.  The cost of living in a democracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  But y&#8217;know &#8211; what is good for the goose is good for the gander.  I want the right to call the IDF generals war criminals.  If that means that Zionists want to call Sizer names that is up to them.  The cost of living in a democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’ve seen several calls recently to write to conferences where an IDF general is speaking&lt;/blockquote&gt;
It&#039;s not the same.  Not even Weissman has named Sizer as a war criminal (though I shouldn&#039;t give him any ideas).  IDF generals are most definitely targets on multiple legal fronts for war crimes allegations.  And having IDF generals speak publicly is an attempt to put forward their narrative about Israel&#039;s view of the Palestinians.  So calling for IDF generals to be disinvited fr. public speaking engageents is an entirely legitimate act.  And if they feel like Sizer that they&#039;re being damaged in some way then let them take their accusers to court in what jurisdiction is mandated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’ve seen several calls recently to write to conferences where an IDF general is speaking</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s not the same.  Not even Weissman has named Sizer as a war criminal (though I shouldn&#8217;t give him any ideas).  IDF generals are most definitely targets on multiple legal fronts for war crimes allegations.  And having IDF generals speak publicly is an attempt to put forward their narrative about Israel&#8217;s view of the Palestinians.  So calling for IDF generals to be disinvited fr. public speaking engageents is an entirely legitimate act.  And if they feel like Sizer that they&#8217;re being damaged in some way then let them take their accusers to court in what jurisdiction is mandated.</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not a lawyer of any description.

Over the last few weeks I have been preparing an article about an ingredient in food which has been directly linked to rainforest destruction.  Are you saying that by writing to complain to supermarkets and brands about their use of this ingredient, those who are destroying the rainforest could sue NGOs/individuals engaged in a boycott for &#039;tort&#039;?  I don&#039;t see there is any logic in that position - though it would be interesting to see it tested in court.

I&#039;ve spoken to Sizer a few times.  I know the people at Sabeel.  They all seem to me to be honest people.

The bottom line is this: if Sizer and Sabeel are so insecure that they need to call the cops when someone calls them a name, they&#039;re in serious trouble.  And more than that, if the cops think this is a reasonable response, every single blogger who writes something even slightly edgy is in trouble.

Yes, if there are threats, of course the police should be involved.  But just saying that Sizer reposts things which are shite, gets himself reposted on known far-right blogs, and is the architypal &#039;antisemitic&#039; bogeyman is not a crime as far as I am concerned.  And behaving as if it is may be just stabbing ourselves in the foot.

Again, who knows, maybe the police really do know more than is being let on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not a lawyer of any description.</p>
<p>Over the last few weeks I have been preparing an article about an ingredient in food which has been directly linked to rainforest destruction.  Are you saying that by writing to complain to supermarkets and brands about their use of this ingredient, those who are destroying the rainforest could sue NGOs/individuals engaged in a boycott for &#8216;tort&#8217;?  I don&#8217;t see there is any logic in that position &#8211; though it would be interesting to see it tested in court.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve spoken to Sizer a few times.  I know the people at Sabeel.  They all seem to me to be honest people.</p>
<p>The bottom line is this: if Sizer and Sabeel are so insecure that they need to call the cops when someone calls them a name, they&#8217;re in serious trouble.  And more than that, if the cops think this is a reasonable response, every single blogger who writes something even slightly edgy is in trouble.</p>
<p>Yes, if there are threats, of course the police should be involved.  But just saying that Sizer reposts things which are shite, gets himself reposted on known far-right blogs, and is the architypal &#8216;antisemitic&#8217; bogeyman is not a crime as far as I am concerned.  And behaving as if it is may be just stabbing ourselves in the foot.</p>
<p>Again, who knows, maybe the police really do know more than is being let on.</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen several calls recently to write to conferences where an IDF general is speaking - including one to SOAS IIRC.  Not to mention those calling for arrests of these on war crimes charges.

I don&#039;t think it is particularly strange or weird.  I doubt it has much effect, it is probably true.  But y&#039;know, I actually believe in freedom of speech, hence there is no contradiction in allowing mudsucking zionists call people names if they want to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen several calls recently to write to conferences where an IDF general is speaking &#8211; including one to SOAS IIRC.  Not to mention those calling for arrests of these on war crimes charges.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it is particularly strange or weird.  I doubt it has much effect, it is probably true.  But y&#8217;know, I actually believe in freedom of speech, hence there is no contradiction in allowing mudsucking zionists call people names if they want to.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;he has no more power than anyone else who writes to an event organiser.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
How many people do you know of who make a pt of writing to a conference sponsor &amp; attempt to smear a participant &amp; demand he be removed fr. a panel or keynote speaking assignment??  I don&#039;t know many.  This isn&#039;t a common occurrence &amp; it&#039;s a very weird practice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>he has no more power than anyone else who writes to an event organiser.</p></blockquote>
<p>How many people do you know of who make a pt of writing to a conference sponsor &amp; attempt to smear a participant &amp; demand he be removed fr. a panel or keynote speaking assignment??  I don&#8217;t know many.  This isn&#8217;t a common occurrence &amp; it&#8217;s a very weird practice.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t want to make the mistake of arguing that Sizer is God&#039;s gift to anything.  He may have his idiosyncracies as well for all I know.  And I should say that I only report to the police those who threaten me with physical harm (which the police promptly ignore anyway).  But if someone was interfering with my livelihood in the way that Wiseman did with Sizer, then I might report him as well.

So far fr. what I can tell whatever foibles Sizer may have, Wiseman has him beat hands down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t want to make the mistake of arguing that Sizer is God&#8217;s gift to anything.  He may have his idiosyncracies as well for all I know.  And I should say that I only report to the police those who threaten me with physical harm (which the police promptly ignore anyway).  But if someone was interfering with my livelihood in the way that Wiseman did with Sizer, then I might report him as well.</p>
<p>So far fr. what I can tell whatever foibles Sizer may have, Wiseman has him beat hands down.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;there is NO tort involved whatsoever with that&lt;/blockquote&gt;
There is if a lecture sponsor actually cancels an engagement and there is if Wiseman continues to send such demands since there is a potential tort.

&lt;blockquote&gt;What’s amazing is that boycott Israel movement does damage to store’s businesses&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Stay on topic please.  I know how easy it is for the hasbarists to drift off into their own pet ideological diatribes of which this is a perfect example.

&lt;blockquote&gt;see how Richard S trying to construe how this is somehow “different” and not just a potentially civil matter but yet a “criminal” one justifying police involvement&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I don&#039;t have to construe it that way because the local UK police already did that for me &amp; frankly bet. yr judgement &amp; theirs &amp; given they know the facts of the case &amp; you don&#039;t--I&#039;ll stick w. the police anyday.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Laughable and embarrassing to even try and posit such innanity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I guess we&#039;ll let readers here judge which of us in the inane one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>there is NO tort involved whatsoever with that</p></blockquote>
<p>There is if a lecture sponsor actually cancels an engagement and there is if Wiseman continues to send such demands since there is a potential tort.</p>
<blockquote><p>What’s amazing is that boycott Israel movement does damage to store’s businesses</p></blockquote>
<p>Stay on topic please.  I know how easy it is for the hasbarists to drift off into their own pet ideological diatribes of which this is a perfect example.</p>
<blockquote><p>see how Richard S trying to construe how this is somehow “different” and not just a potentially civil matter but yet a “criminal” one justifying police involvement</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t have to construe it that way because the local UK police already did that for me &amp; frankly bet. yr judgement &amp; theirs &amp; given they know the facts of the case &amp; you don&#8217;t&#8211;I&#8217;ll stick w. the police anyday.</p>
<blockquote><p>Laughable and embarrassing to even try and posit such innanity.</p></blockquote>
<p>I guess we&#8217;ll let readers here judge which of us in the inane one.</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hestitate to post this, but it appears that Sizer himself appears to repeat this threat (that of calling the police on people who call him an antisemite) in a comment on the blog of one of his detractors 

http://livingjourney.wordpress.com/2010/01/15/theres-a-change-in-the-air/comment-page-1/#comment-23443

If this is true, I think this is a mistaken tactic by Sizer and plays right into the hands of his foes.  If it is a fake, I guess that just shows how far people will go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hestitate to post this, but it appears that Sizer himself appears to repeat this threat (that of calling the police on people who call him an antisemite) in a comment on the blog of one of his detractors </p>
<p><a href="http://livingjourney.wordpress.com/2010/01/15/theres-a-change-in-the-air/comment-page-1/#comment-23443" rel="nofollow">http://livingjourney.wordpress.com/2010/01/15/theres-a-change-in-the-air/comment-page-1/#comment-23443</a></p>
<p>If this is true, I think this is a mistaken tactic by Sizer and plays right into the hands of his foes.  If it is a fake, I guess that just shows how far people will go.</p>
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