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	<title>Comments on: Times Israel Correspondent Bronner: Son Likely Serving in IDF</title>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 23:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;no one should be allowed to cover the conflict for the Times unless they personally have killed a Palestinian civilian&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That&#039;s vastly overdoing it.  I think you can make your pt w/o engaging in rhetorical overkill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>no one should be allowed to cover the conflict for the Times unless they personally have killed a Palestinian civilian</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s vastly overdoing it.  I think you can make your pt w/o engaging in rhetorical overkill.</p>
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		<title>By: L. Clement Beaverman</title>
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		<dc:creator>L. Clement Beaverman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’m shocked, shocked to learn that the entire Middle East staff of the New York Times hasn’t already enlisted in the Israel Defense Force.

I’m a regular reader of the Times and, therefore, I know for sure that bias, or the appearance thereof, is irrelevant. It’s much simpler than that. Israel is “the good guy,” and all reporting will reflect that view. The Palestinians and their allies are “the bad guy” and all reporting will, naturally (if ham-fistedly in many cases) reflect that as well. How do I know this? I READ THE NY TIMES!!!

    Shouldn’t ALL journalists in the region have relatives in the IDF? 

     Better yet, no one should be allowed to cover the conflict for the Times unless they personally have killed a Palestinian civilian. (Remember, the civilians HIDE among terrorists, so they’re not always that easy to murder without access to guided missiles or 500 pound cluster bombs.)

What about that don’t some people understand?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m shocked, shocked to learn that the entire Middle East staff of the New York Times hasn’t already enlisted in the Israel Defense Force.</p>
<p>I’m a regular reader of the Times and, therefore, I know for sure that bias, or the appearance thereof, is irrelevant. It’s much simpler than that. Israel is “the good guy,” and all reporting will reflect that view. The Palestinians and their allies are “the bad guy” and all reporting will, naturally (if ham-fistedly in many cases) reflect that as well. How do I know this? I READ THE NY TIMES!!!</p>
<p>    Shouldn’t ALL journalists in the region have relatives in the IDF? </p>
<p>     Better yet, no one should be allowed to cover the conflict for the Times unless they personally have killed a Palestinian civilian. (Remember, the civilians HIDE among terrorists, so they’re not always that easy to murder without access to guided missiles or 500 pound cluster bombs.)</p>
<p>What about that don’t some people understand?</p>
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		<title>By: Cayley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cayley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 09:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CSM doesn&#039;t rely on advertising, so no pressure can be applied.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CSM doesn&#8217;t rely on advertising, so no pressure can be applied.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 04:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think he&#039;s arguing in good faith--you&#039;d think he&#039;d never even heard of the concept of left wing press criticism.   You alluded to the runup to the Iraq War--there were books and articles written about the disgraceful performance of the NYT on that event, so much criticism that the NYT eventually felt the need to write a long partial apology to its readers several years ago (particularly with respect to Judith Miller&#039;s pieces).  

Criticism of the NYT and the rest of the mainstream press on how they cover American politics is routine among left-leaning American bloggers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s arguing in good faith&#8211;you&#8217;d think he&#8217;d never even heard of the concept of left wing press criticism.   You alluded to the runup to the Iraq War&#8211;there were books and articles written about the disgraceful performance of the NYT on that event, so much criticism that the NYT eventually felt the need to write a long partial apology to its readers several years ago (particularly with respect to Judith Miller&#8217;s pieces).  </p>
<p>Criticism of the NYT and the rest of the mainstream press on how they cover American politics is routine among left-leaning American bloggers.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 04:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;OK. Let’s accept the racist assumption that a Jewish journalist will automatically report the information fed to him by the IDF and ignore anything offered by “the Palestinians, Hamas, Israeli NGOs or the peace movement”.&quot;

We don&#039;t have to assume anything so ridiculous--it&#039;s reading Bronner that makes one think he&#039;s biased.

&quot;Either way, do you think the readership of the NYT is having the wool pulled over its eyes by either this journalist or NYT editorial policy? Is that your claim? The entire readership of the NYT is being duped and only you guys have spotted it?
It’s a little grandiose, no?&quot;

Yes, your strawman claims are grandiose.    But obviously many  people can be misled by a paper if it is biased and they aren&#039;t following a particular issue closely or if it confirms their own biases on a given subject--it doesn&#039;t have to be &quot;the entire readership&quot; and people who see through their biases can be found all over the place, not simply at this blog.  Why make such ridiculous claims?   There are people who virtually make a career out of criticizing the biases in the NYT and other &quot;liberal&quot; press outlets, and not just from the right--many leftwingers also complain about this on many issues, not just the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.   My own bias  on this is to think that various human rights groups do a better job reporting on human rights issues than most newspapers, including the NYT.  

As for the NYT, I personally know people who repeat cliches about the conflict they&#039;ve picked up from that paper.   And I know people who think the world of Thomas Friedman and one very educated person who actually believes he is biased in a pro-Palestinian direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;OK. Let’s accept the racist assumption that a Jewish journalist will automatically report the information fed to him by the IDF and ignore anything offered by “the Palestinians, Hamas, Israeli NGOs or the peace movement”.&#8221;</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t have to assume anything so ridiculous&#8211;it&#8217;s reading Bronner that makes one think he&#8217;s biased.</p>
<p>&#8220;Either way, do you think the readership of the NYT is having the wool pulled over its eyes by either this journalist or NYT editorial policy? Is that your claim? The entire readership of the NYT is being duped and only you guys have spotted it?<br />
It’s a little grandiose, no?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, your strawman claims are grandiose.    But obviously many  people can be misled by a paper if it is biased and they aren&#8217;t following a particular issue closely or if it confirms their own biases on a given subject&#8211;it doesn&#8217;t have to be &#8220;the entire readership&#8221; and people who see through their biases can be found all over the place, not simply at this blog.  Why make such ridiculous claims?   There are people who virtually make a career out of criticizing the biases in the NYT and other &#8220;liberal&#8221; press outlets, and not just from the right&#8211;many leftwingers also complain about this on many issues, not just the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.   My own bias  on this is to think that various human rights groups do a better job reporting on human rights issues than most newspapers, including the NYT.  </p>
<p>As for the NYT, I personally know people who repeat cliches about the conflict they&#8217;ve picked up from that paper.   And I know people who think the world of Thomas Friedman and one very educated person who actually believes he is biased in a pro-Palestinian direction.</p>
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		<title>By: Elisabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elisabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, I checked out the funny Pinyin part in the translation: Apparently Sòngxīnqiáo is a famous art market in Chengdu... Does anyone have an explanation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, I checked out the funny Pinyin part in the translation: Apparently Sòngxīnqiáo is a famous art market in Chengdu&#8230; Does anyone have an explanation?</p>
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		<title>By: Elisabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elisabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not know Hebrew, but I always enjoy automatic translations. (Especially when you make them go back and forth a few times, but usually even a one way go is enough for a good laugh.) Here is the result of your quote translated into English by a machine:

In response to Story: John Lerner &#124; instead of Persisting program The original
The sender&#039;s name: Naomi kehati 
Sòngxīnqiáo: éøåùìéí
E-mail address: ” 
Title Response: Jonathan Great story, You create a contact 
Jonathan hyperlin so Naomi.You create a contact In the email I&#039;d be happy Talk Update.Naomi kehati
 
I guess machines will never really be able to replace us...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not know Hebrew, but I always enjoy automatic translations. (Especially when you make them go back and forth a few times, but usually even a one way go is enough for a good laugh.) Here is the result of your quote translated into English by a machine:</p>
<p>In response to Story: John Lerner | instead of Persisting program The original<br />
The sender&#8217;s name: Naomi kehati<br />
Sòngxīnqiáo: éøåùìéí<br />
E-mail address: ”<br />
Title Response: Jonathan Great story, You create a contact<br />
Jonathan hyperlin so Naomi.You create a contact In the email I&#8217;d be happy Talk Update.Naomi kehati</p>
<p>I guess machines will never really be able to replace us&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You have “reported” some rumours which have yet to be confirmed.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
They&#039;re confirmed as far as I&#039;m concerned.  When you&#039;re asked a question &amp; refuse to answer  No or Yes &amp; when you&#039;re told that your refusal to deny it will lead the questioner to consider the rumor true &amp; you still don&#039;t reply, you&#039;ve essentially confirmed the rumor.  There&#039;s a principle in law: &quot;Silence is assent.&quot;  That&#039;s certainly true here.

I challenge you to prove the rumor wrong.  If you&#039;re right I&#039;ll retract my claim.  Go to it.

&lt;blockquote&gt;If you wish to maintain any of the journalistic integrity&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Thanks for being so concerned for my journalistic integrity, which needs no validation fr you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You have “reported” some rumours which have yet to be confirmed.</p></blockquote>
<p>They&#8217;re confirmed as far as I&#8217;m concerned.  When you&#8217;re asked a question &#038; refuse to answer  No or Yes &#038; when you&#8217;re told that your refusal to deny it will lead the questioner to consider the rumor true &#038; you still don&#8217;t reply, you&#8217;ve essentially confirmed the rumor.  There&#8217;s a principle in law: &#8220;Silence is assent.&#8221;  That&#8217;s certainly true here.</p>
<p>I challenge you to prove the rumor wrong.  If you&#8217;re right I&#8217;ll retract my claim.  Go to it.</p>
<blockquote><p>If you wish to maintain any of the journalistic integrity</p></blockquote>
<p>Thanks for being so concerned for my journalistic integrity, which needs no validation fr you.</p>
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