Comments on: Clemmons Killed, Relatives Arrested as Accomplices http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2009/12/01/clemmons-killed-relatives-arrested-as-accomplices/ Essays on politics, culture and ideas about Israeli-Arab peace and world music Mon, 13 Feb 2012 03:38:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Mary http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2009/12/01/clemmons-killed-relatives-arrested-as-accomplices/comment-page-1/#comment-116997 Mary Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:42:01 +0000 http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/?p=9285#comment-116997 This is the "most moral army in the world." Sadly, it's not an isolated incident. But the western media never reports on murdered Palestinian children; it prefers to report when a Qassam rocket lands in a field somewhere, making sure the world knows of these unprovoked terrorist acts against Zionists. This is the “most moral army in the world.”

Sadly, it’s not an isolated incident. But the western media never reports on murdered Palestinian children; it prefers to report when a Qassam rocket lands in a field somewhere, making sure the world knows of these unprovoked terrorist acts against Zionists.

]]> By: Richard Silverstein http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2009/12/01/clemmons-killed-relatives-arrested-as-accomplices/comment-page-1/#comment-116992 Richard Silverstein Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:06:51 +0000 http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/?p=9285#comment-116992 I think you misread Dickerson. If you read his comments here you'd realize that is not his view of Obama at all. I think you misread Dickerson. If you read his comments here you’d realize that is not his view of Obama at all.

]]> By: James http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2009/12/01/clemmons-killed-relatives-arrested-as-accomplices/comment-page-1/#comment-116985 James Sun, 06 Dec 2009 07:44:59 +0000 http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/?p=9285#comment-116985 DICKERSON3870, Since you wish to relate to cowardly action of a Cop Killer to that of a terrorist, and some how you look at it as a fault of Obama, lets look at the number of officers killed under George Bush's watch. Not to including the Heros (Officers) who gave their lives on 9/11. 70 police officers killed in 2001 56 police officers killed in 2002 52 police officers killed in 2003 154 police officers killed in line of duty in 2004 55 law enforcement officers were killed in 2005 In 2006, 48 law enforcement officers were feloniously killed In 2007, 57 law enforcement officers were feloniously killed 41 law enforcement officers were feloniously killed in the line of duty in 2008 By the way, these are the FBI numbers. It is amazing how true colors of our Christian nation comes out shining, when things don't go our way. DICKERSON3870,

Since you wish to relate to cowardly action of a Cop Killer to that of a terrorist, and some how you look at it as a fault of Obama, lets look at the number of officers killed under George Bush’s watch. Not to including the Heros (Officers) who gave their lives on 9/11.

70 police officers killed in 2001
56 police officers killed in 2002
52 police officers killed in 2003
154 police officers killed in line of duty in 2004
55 law enforcement officers were killed in 2005
In 2006, 48 law enforcement officers were feloniously killed
In 2007, 57 law enforcement officers were feloniously killed
41 law enforcement officers were feloniously killed in the line of duty in 2008

By the way, these are the FBI numbers. It is amazing how true colors of our Christian nation comes out shining, when things don’t go our way.

]]> By: burton http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2009/12/01/clemmons-killed-relatives-arrested-as-accomplices/comment-page-1/#comment-116976 burton Sun, 06 Dec 2009 04:51:54 +0000 http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/?p=9285#comment-116976 http://www.harpers.org/archive/2005/05/0080518 Archive May 2005 In the zone By Nomi Friedman (Trans.) From the transcript of radio communication among Israeli soldiers near Rafah, in the southern Gaza Strip. The recording was submitted in January 2005 in the trial of the company commander, whose name has been withheld due to a military court order. He faces a maximum of three years in prison. Translated from the Hebrew by Nomi Friedman. SENTRY: We spotted an Arab female about 100 meters below our emplacement, near the light armored vehicle gate. HEADQUARTERS: Observation post “Spain,” do you see it? OBSERVATION POST: Affirmative, it's a young girl. She's now running east. HQ: What is her position? OP: She's currently north of the authorized zone. SENTRY: Very inappropriate location. [Gunfire] OP: She's now behind an embankment, 250 meters from the barracks. She keeps running east. The hits are right on her. HQ: Are you talking about a girl under ten? OP: Approximately a ten-year-old girl. HQ: Roger. OP: OP to HQ. HQ: Receiving, over. OP: She's behind the embankment, dying of fear, the hits are right on her, a centimeter from her. SENTRY: Our troops are storming toward her now. They are around 70 meters from her. HQ: I understand that the company commander and his squad are out? SENTRY: Affirmative, with a few more soldiers. OP: Receive. Looks like one of the positions dropped her. HQ: What, did you see the hit? Is she down? OP: She's down. Right now she isn't moving. COMPANY COMMANDER [to HQ]: Me and another soldier are going in. [To the squad] Forward, to confirm the kill! CC [to HQ]: We fired and killed her. She has . . . wearing pants . . . jeans and a vest, shirt. Also she had a kaffiyeh on her head. I also confirmed the kill. Over. HQ: Roger. CC [on general communications band]: Any motion, anyone who moves in the zone, even if it's a three-year-old, should be killed. Over. ======= See also: http://www.wrmea.com/archives/Jan_Feb_2005/0501009.html http://www.harpers.org/archive/2005/05/0080518

Archive
May 2005

In the zone
By Nomi Friedman (Trans.)

From the transcript of radio communication among Israeli soldiers near Rafah, in the southern Gaza Strip. The recording was submitted in January 2005 in the trial of the company commander, whose name has been withheld due to a military court order. He faces a maximum of three years in prison. Translated from the Hebrew by Nomi Friedman.

SENTRY: We spotted an Arab female about 100 meters below our emplacement, near the light armored vehicle gate.

HEADQUARTERS: Observation post “Spain,” do you see it?

OBSERVATION POST: Affirmative, it’s a young girl. She’s now running east.

HQ: What is her position?

OP: She’s currently north of the authorized zone.

SENTRY: Very inappropriate location.

[Gunfire]

OP: She’s now behind an embankment, 250 meters from the barracks. She keeps running east. The hits are right on her.

HQ: Are you talking about a girl under ten?

OP: Approximately a ten-year-old girl.

HQ: Roger.

OP: OP to HQ.

HQ: Receiving, over.

OP: She’s behind the embankment, dying of fear, the hits are right on her, a centimeter from her.

SENTRY: Our troops are storming toward her now. They are around 70 meters from her.

HQ: I understand that the company commander and his squad are out?

SENTRY: Affirmative, with a few more soldiers.

OP: Receive. Looks like one of the positions dropped her.

HQ: What, did you see the hit? Is she down?

OP: She’s down. Right now she isn’t moving.

COMPANY COMMANDER [to HQ]: Me and another soldier are going in. [To the squad] Forward, to confirm the kill!

CC [to HQ]: We fired and killed her. She has . . . wearing pants . . . jeans and a vest, shirt. Also she had a kaffiyeh on her head. I also confirmed the kill. Over.

HQ: Roger.

CC [on general communications band]: Any motion, anyone who moves in the zone, even if it’s a three-year-old, should be killed. Over.
=======
See also: http://www.wrmea.com/archives/Jan_Feb_2005/0501009.html

]]> By: Richard Silverstein http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2009/12/01/clemmons-killed-relatives-arrested-as-accomplices/comment-page-1/#comment-116960 Richard Silverstein Sun, 06 Dec 2009 00:04:17 +0000 http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/?p=9285#comment-116960 Thanks so much for adding this useful information to amplify what I wrote. I knew of the concept but had never heard the Hebrew phrase for it. Thanks so much for adding this useful information to amplify what I wrote. I knew of the concept but had never heard the Hebrew phrase for it.

]]> By: michael http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2009/12/01/clemmons-killed-relatives-arrested-as-accomplices/comment-page-1/#comment-116949 michael Sat, 05 Dec 2009 16:25:04 +0000 http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/?p=9285#comment-116949 The Hebrew term for this policy is "veedoo hareegah", translated as "confirm the kill". Israeli military are educated to kill rather than to capture. This execution on the scene of the crime circumvents the Israeli judiciary's moratorium on the death penalty. It also precludes any future prisoner swaps with Palestinians. Since both of these are not universally accepted in Israeli society, the executions "in the heat of the moment" are tacitly condoned in the Israeli media. The Hebrew term for this policy is “veedoo hareegah”, translated as “confirm the kill”. Israeli military are educated to kill rather than to capture. This execution on the scene of the crime circumvents the Israeli judiciary’s moratorium on the death penalty. It also precludes any future prisoner swaps with Palestinians. Since both of these are not universally accepted in Israeli society, the executions “in the heat of the moment” are tacitly condoned in the Israeli media.

]]> By: Richard Silverstein http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2009/12/01/clemmons-killed-relatives-arrested-as-accomplices/comment-page-1/#comment-116941 Richard Silverstein Sat, 05 Dec 2009 10:57:36 +0000 http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/?p=9285#comment-116941 Well, at least you're honest. I don't agree with you about wanting to pump bullets into already dead bodies. But as long as you're prepared to see that happen to Arabs and Jews at least there's a perverse symmetry there. Well, at least you’re honest. I don’t agree with you about wanting to pump bullets into already dead bodies. But as long as you’re prepared to see that happen to Arabs and Jews at least there’s a perverse symmetry there.

]]> By: amir http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2009/12/01/clemmons-killed-relatives-arrested-as-accomplices/comment-page-1/#comment-116939 amir Sat, 05 Dec 2009 06:33:09 +0000 http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/?p=9285#comment-116939 Thanks for the link. I admit to not reading Arutz 7. Like I said this is the kind of situation where a terrorist on a murder spree has to be killed because he will use his last bit of strength to keep killing, as we saw with the terrorist who went on a rampage in Jerusalem with a tractor. After he was shot and everyone thought he was dead he woke up and kept trying to run people over. Or he might be able to detonate an explosive (even you concede that happened once) And yes, I think that a man who enters a building to confront a terrorist and kill him is a hero. When it comes to fight or flight, I'm more of the flight kind of guy. You make it sound like they killed him and then started celebrating and taking apart his body (like what happened with the reservists that accidentally stumbled into Ramallah). They killed him with all the bullets they had. That whole part of the ordeal probably took a few seconds. Richard, I have no hatred for Palestinians, Arabs or Muslims or anybody else. Yes, this persons crime was so heinous that he had it coming to him. Not because he's Palestinian and not because he's Muslim, but because he went o a shooting spree in a yeshiva full of kids. Baruch Goldstein, who was killed after his murder spree, had it coming to him, Clemons had it coming to him. If someone had emptied a cartridge into Igal Amir, I would say he had it coming to him. And Mary, I never said anything to suggest that you condoned mass murder. You pointed out a double standard and so I pointed out a different double standard. Thanks for the link. I admit to not reading Arutz 7. Like I said this is the kind of situation where a terrorist on a murder spree has to be killed because he will use his last bit of strength to keep killing, as we saw with the terrorist who went on a rampage in Jerusalem with a tractor. After he was shot and everyone thought he was dead he woke up and kept trying to run people over. Or he might be able to detonate an explosive (even you concede that happened once) And yes, I think that a man who enters a building to confront a terrorist and kill him is a hero. When it comes to fight or flight, I’m more of the flight kind of guy. You make it sound like they killed him and then started celebrating and taking apart his body (like what happened with the reservists that accidentally stumbled into Ramallah). They killed him with all the bullets they had. That whole part of the ordeal probably took a few seconds.
Richard, I have no hatred for Palestinians, Arabs or Muslims or anybody else. Yes, this persons crime was so heinous that he had it coming to him. Not because he’s Palestinian and not because he’s Muslim, but because he went o a shooting spree in a yeshiva full of kids. Baruch Goldstein, who was killed after his murder spree, had it coming to him, Clemons had it coming to him. If someone had emptied a cartridge into Igal Amir, I would say he had it coming to him.
And Mary, I never said anything to suggest that you condoned mass murder. You pointed out a double standard and so I pointed out a different double standard.

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