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	<title>Comments on: Friedman Advises Obama to Wash His Hands of Israel-Palestine</title>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 23:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys are insane.  Qassams and stones, urban warfare in little enclaves, versus F16&#039;s, cluster bombs full of flechettes and DIME, white phosphorus, tanks, the cutting off of food and humanitarian aid?  The West Bank would be just like Gaza, the Israelis would blame it all on terrorists and insist it &quot;has the right to defend itself&quot;, the US will agree (thanks to the exertions of the Zionist lobby), and there you have it - a completely shattered Palestine, just as Netanyahu and Lieberman wanted.  No more worries about not building settlements or negotiations with Palestinians.

Armchair warriors don&#039;t stop to think of consequences, and they would be dire for the Palestinian people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys are insane.  Qassams and stones, urban warfare in little enclaves, versus F16&#8217;s, cluster bombs full of flechettes and DIME, white phosphorus, tanks, the cutting off of food and humanitarian aid?  The West Bank would be just like Gaza, the Israelis would blame it all on terrorists and insist it &#8220;has the right to defend itself&#8221;, the US will agree (thanks to the exertions of the Zionist lobby), and there you have it &#8211; a completely shattered Palestine, just as Netanyahu and Lieberman wanted.  No more worries about not building settlements or negotiations with Palestinians.</p>
<p>Armchair warriors don&#8217;t stop to think of consequences, and they would be dire for the Palestinian people.</p>
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		<title>By: Walter Ballin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter Ballin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This morning I spoke with a Palestinian-American gentleman who lives here in Chico California. I must mention first that he&#039;s no lacky for Israel. He goes to Palestine fairly frequently to see his family. He says that the Palestinian Prime Minister Fayyad is actually working on building a functioning state on the ground including a good security force. My friend says that Fayyad doesn&#039;t take any nonsense from any faction. He says that if this works, there is a good chance that the UN will declare a Palestinian state in a couple of years and Obama might very well go along. However he does agree with me that if the U.S. will not go along with this, then the Palestinians will prevail by force as I said. He also says as I said that Israel cannot exist too much longer by being an oppressor and an occupier, especially being that Palestinians are far outnumbering Israelis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This morning I spoke with a Palestinian-American gentleman who lives here in Chico California. I must mention first that he&#8217;s no lacky for Israel. He goes to Palestine fairly frequently to see his family. He says that the Palestinian Prime Minister Fayyad is actually working on building a functioning state on the ground including a good security force. My friend says that Fayyad doesn&#8217;t take any nonsense from any faction. He says that if this works, there is a good chance that the UN will declare a Palestinian state in a couple of years and Obama might very well go along. However he does agree with me that if the U.S. will not go along with this, then the Palestinians will prevail by force as I said. He also says as I said that Israel cannot exist too much longer by being an oppressor and an occupier, especially being that Palestinians are far outnumbering Israelis.</p>
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		<title>By: Walter Ballin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter Ballin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What will they use to fight the Israelis – Qassam rockets? Stones?&quot;

The Qassam rockets and perhaps more suicide and other bombings inside the Green Line and on a much more massive scale. I read recently that the wall is not the reason that there have not been more suicide and other bombings inside Israel proper, but that the Palestinians simply decided not to employ that strategy. As I said, the Israelis are becoming far outnumbered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What will they use to fight the Israelis – Qassam rockets? Stones?&#8221;</p>
<p>The Qassam rockets and perhaps more suicide and other bombings inside the Green Line and on a much more massive scale. I read recently that the wall is not the reason that there have not been more suicide and other bombings inside Israel proper, but that the Palestinians simply decided not to employ that strategy. As I said, the Israelis are becoming far outnumbered.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I don’t think that it so unlikely that the Palestinians can liberate themselves. There are more Palestinians than there are Jews. Their population is growing and they will far outnumber the Jews. The Palestinians can make Israel a living hell with homemade weapons and a lot of them are willing to die for the cause.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What type of &quot;home-made weapons&quot; are we talking about? Small arms? Rockets? Even Hamas has to import components for those via smugglers&#039; tunnels, and the West Bank Palestinians don&#039;t have even that. 

Numbers alone are no guarantee, either - just look up the history of failed peasant revolts to see what happens when a poorly armed group runs smack into a more disciplined, well-armed group*, even when the former has a potentially sympathetic population to hide in. 

*I say &quot;more&quot; because Israel&#039;s Army - the ground component of the IDF - is only so-so. They only looked good for a long time because they were significantly better than the armies of the surrounding Arab states (the Israeli Air Force is arguably the best part of Israel&#039;s military).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I don’t think that it so unlikely that the Palestinians can liberate themselves. There are more Palestinians than there are Jews. Their population is growing and they will far outnumber the Jews. The Palestinians can make Israel a living hell with homemade weapons and a lot of them are willing to die for the cause.</p></blockquote>
<p>What type of &#8220;home-made weapons&#8221; are we talking about? Small arms? Rockets? Even Hamas has to import components for those via smugglers&#8217; tunnels, and the West Bank Palestinians don&#8217;t have even that. </p>
<p>Numbers alone are no guarantee, either &#8211; just look up the history of failed peasant revolts to see what happens when a poorly armed group runs smack into a more disciplined, well-armed group*, even when the former has a potentially sympathetic population to hide in. </p>
<p>*I say &#8220;more&#8221; because Israel&#8217;s Army &#8211; the ground component of the IDF &#8211; is only so-so. They only looked good for a long time because they were significantly better than the armies of the surrounding Arab states (the Israeli Air Force is arguably the best part of Israel&#8217;s military).</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What will they use to fight the Israelis - Qassam rockets?  Stones?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What will they use to fight the Israelis &#8211; Qassam rockets?  Stones?</p>
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		<title>By: Walter Ballin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter Ballin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 05:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary wrote: &quot;The Palestinian people do not have a prayer of liberating themselves by “rising up.” They will be slaughtered with US made weapons, and in the aftermath Israel will take what is left of the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and all surviving Palestinians will be shoved south into Gaza to die off.

I see less and less likelihood that there is a political solution. Until the world imposes its will on Israel and ends the occupation, it will continue, aided and abetted by the US.&quot;

Brett wrote: &quot;Not to mention the dynamics of actually rising up. The Palestinians in the West Bank could try doing something like the previous Intifadas (riots, protests, boycotts, etc), but the Israelis have really carved up the place into segments that they can dominate, and the Palestinians are more dependent on Israel economically than vice versa.&quot;

I don&#039;t think that it so unlikely that the Palestinians can liberate themselves. There are more Palestinians than there are Jews. Their population is growing and they will far outnumber the Jews. The Palestinians can make Israel a living hell with homemade weapons and a lot of them are willing to die for the cause. I hope that the world will be able to impose its will on the Israelis to stop the occupation, but this occupation must end by whatever means. The Israelis may have all kinds of sophisticated weapons but as I said, Israel cannot last too much longer being an oppressor and occupier country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary wrote: &#8220;The Palestinian people do not have a prayer of liberating themselves by “rising up.” They will be slaughtered with US made weapons, and in the aftermath Israel will take what is left of the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and all surviving Palestinians will be shoved south into Gaza to die off.</p>
<p>I see less and less likelihood that there is a political solution. Until the world imposes its will on Israel and ends the occupation, it will continue, aided and abetted by the US.&#8221;</p>
<p>Brett wrote: &#8220;Not to mention the dynamics of actually rising up. The Palestinians in the West Bank could try doing something like the previous Intifadas (riots, protests, boycotts, etc), but the Israelis have really carved up the place into segments that they can dominate, and the Palestinians are more dependent on Israel economically than vice versa.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that it so unlikely that the Palestinians can liberate themselves. There are more Palestinians than there are Jews. Their population is growing and they will far outnumber the Jews. The Palestinians can make Israel a living hell with homemade weapons and a lot of them are willing to die for the cause. I hope that the world will be able to impose its will on the Israelis to stop the occupation, but this occupation must end by whatever means. The Israelis may have all kinds of sophisticated weapons but as I said, Israel cannot last too much longer being an oppressor and occupier country.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 05:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me throw a spanner into the works here.

It&#039;s true that Congress &lt;em&gt;appropriates&lt;/em&gt; money for foreign aid, but to my understanding, and correct me if I&#039;m wrong, it&#039;s the Executive Branch that actually &lt;em&gt;disburses&lt;/em&gt; the aid.

Let&#039;s suppose that Congress passes an aid bill for Israel, Obama vetoes the bill, and then Congress overrides the veto.  Obama goes to the Treasury Department, or whoever it is that disburses the aid, and says, &quot;I order you to not disburse this aid,&quot; and the deciding official obeys Obama.  Obama says to Congress, &quot;This aid is unconstitutional, and if you want an ugly fight in the courts over this, I&#039;ll give you one&quot; - a fight he would win if he had the stomach for it.

I realize, for reasons given above, that this is a rather &#039;academic&#039; (read: exceedingly far-fetched) scenario, but isn&#039;t it at least theoretically possible that it could happen?</description>
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<p>It&#8217;s true that Congress <em>appropriates</em> money for foreign aid, but to my understanding, and correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, it&#8217;s the Executive Branch that actually <em>disburses</em> the aid.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s suppose that Congress passes an aid bill for Israel, Obama vetoes the bill, and then Congress overrides the veto.  Obama goes to the Treasury Department, or whoever it is that disburses the aid, and says, &#8220;I order you to not disburse this aid,&#8221; and the deciding official obeys Obama.  Obama says to Congress, &#8220;This aid is unconstitutional, and if you want an ugly fight in the courts over this, I&#8217;ll give you one&#8221; &#8211; a fight he would win if he had the stomach for it.</p>
<p>I realize, for reasons given above, that this is a rather &#8216;academic&#8217; (read: exceedingly far-fetched) scenario, but isn&#8217;t it at least theoretically possible that it could happen?</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The Palestinian people do not have a prayer of liberating themselves by “rising up.” They will be slaughtered with US made weapons, and in the aftermath Israel will take what is left of the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and all surviving Palestinians will be shoved south into Gaza to die off.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not to mention the dynamics of actually rising up. The Palestinians in the West Bank could try doing something like the previous Intifadas (riots, protests, boycotts, etc), but the Israelis have really carved up the place into segments that they can dominate, and the Palestinians are more dependent on Israel economically than vice versa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The Palestinian people do not have a prayer of liberating themselves by “rising up.” They will be slaughtered with US made weapons, and in the aftermath Israel will take what is left of the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and all surviving Palestinians will be shoved south into Gaza to die off.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not to mention the dynamics of actually rising up. The Palestinians in the West Bank could try doing something like the previous Intifadas (riots, protests, boycotts, etc), but the Israelis have really carved up the place into segments that they can dominate, and the Palestinians are more dependent on Israel economically than vice versa.</p>
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