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The Tablet and David Axelrod’s Bubbeh’s B.O.

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11 Responses to “The Tablet and David Axelrod’s Bubbeh’s B.O.”

Moje says:

August 5, 2009 at 3:34 PM

Treason? I thought you were American, Richard? How could you possibly commit treason against Israel?

Self-hatred? Do you hate yourself Richard? Seems to me – from what I read of Israel and its brutal military – the real self-haters are the ones that profess a love for Israel (today). And the worst of these self-haters shed what little humanity they have left when they enlist in “the most moral army in the world.” By the way, how can an army be moral? It doesn’t make sense. An army, by its very definition is a large body of persons trained and armed for war. And a war is a conflict carried on by force of arms, as between nations or between parties within a nation. Force of arms: weapons. We all know the IDF’s weapons of choice (those that hit hardest). So, it would seem that “the most moral army in the world” was obviously a brainchild of a self-hater intent on satisfying his own sense of moral being – if only slightly.

If I were Jewish, I wouldn’t describe myself as self-hating. Rather, God fearing. And it would seem that Israel and its lobby have forgotten who He is.

By the way, it would be interesting to see how the self-hating label stands up in a libel suit. It could end up being laid to rest, finally. Have any so-called self-hating Jews tried this?

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- silvia says:
  
  August 6, 2009 at 12:53 PM
  
  “it would be interesting to see how the self-hating label stands up in a libel suit. It could end up being laid to rest, finally. Have any so-called self-hating Jews tried this?”
  
  Actually, yes, in a sort of ways. Richard Falf and Finkelstein for example, were both denied entry to Israel.
  
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  - Richard Silverstein says:
    
    August 6, 2009 at 8:09 PM
    
    In what way does Finkelstein’s imprisonment by the Israeli authorities & Falk’s denial of entry to Israel have anything to do with self hating Jews & libel? Just because finds these figure undesirable is no reflection either on their being self-hating Jews or truly undesirable. In fact, I find Falk & Finkelstein more “desirable” as intellectuals & moral figures than the intelligence officials who were so afraid to allow them entry to Israel. Can you imagine throwing a Diaspora Jewish intellectual in prison merely for wanting to transit through the country to reach the W. Bank??? True idiocy.
    
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    - silvia says:
      
      August 7, 2009 at 7:19 AM
      
      “In what way does Finkelstein’s imprisonment by the Israeli authorities & Falk’s denial of entry to Israel have anything to do with self hating Jews & libel?”
      
      Self-hating Jews” is a term I don’t like and I never use. What we’re talking about are people whose idea of a solution to the Middle East conflict is to demonize Israel to oblivion. Now there are hundreds of thousands of people who share those same ideas and who are even more vitriolic and yet they get in and out of Israel without any problem. So why those two? And why were they allowed entry before?
      
      Because they both went from simply dwelling in the realm of ideas to acting in support of those ideas. Richard Falk deliberately decided to ignore evidence before him and betray his position to demonize Israel at the UN in order to trigger sanctions. Just weeks before he came to Israel, Finkelstein was in Lebanon consorting with, praising Hizballah for their victory and inciting against Israel on every TV show. This is called supporting a terrorist organization. This is not just being an intellectual.
      
      Actions – not ideas – seem to have been the litmus test.
      
      Talking is one thing. Pimping one for the OIC countries and the other for Hizballah seem to be quite another.
      
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      - Moje says:
        
        August 7, 2009 at 2:34 PM
        
        Israel is doing a far better job of demonising itself than Richard and other critics ever could.
        
        Look at the mess Israel made a few of days ago when it evicited three families from their homes in Jerusalem and then justified it by claiming those homes belonged to Jews pre-1948, purlease. I doubt the evidence to support that claim will be forthcoming any time soon. After the evictions the homes were immediately occupied by Israeli settlers (not the “original” Jewish owners I’d imagine).
        
        Demonize Israel to oblivion – I get the sense that Israel is being portrayed as some kind of victim here when it is anything but.
        
        According to this article AIPAC wants confidence building measures from Israel’s Arab neighbours before Israel even budges slightly to fart let alone come to sort of agreement. Sounds to me like they’re fully aware that the Arabs will tell them where to stick it and thereby give Israel exactly the excuse it needs to maintain the status quo.
        http://www.jordantimes.com/?news=18975
      - Richard Silverstein says:
        
        August 7, 2009 at 5:56 PM
        
        I appreciate the fact that you acknowledge “self-hating Jew” is a disgusing misused phrase.
        
        What we’re talking about are people whose idea of a solution to the Middle East conflict is to demonize Israel to oblivion.
        
        That is patently false & a mischaracterization of the views of both individuals. Being a harsh critic of Israeli POLICY is not the same as “demonizing Israel to oblivion.” If you can’t deal with harsh criticism in the face of Israel’s evil policies, that’s not their problem. But you have no right to twist their views. To be clear, calling a policy evil is not the same as calling a people or nation evil, which I haven’t done.
        
        The Israeli intelligence services do not act in a rational, coherent manner. The fact that Finkelstein entered Israel legally & then was imprisoned has nothing to do with any rational decision on the part of the Shin Bet. They’re simply petrified of coherent criticism of Israeli policy & decided to make an example of people they detested. It’s petty & small minded stuff. But typical for the Shin Bet.
        
        Your use of the term “pimping” is odious, ad hominem, & not permitted here. Do it again & yr comments will be moderated.
DICKERSON3870 says:

August 5, 2009 at 4:19 PM

RE: “We at Z Street are offering for sale…”

MY COMMENT: Beware Lorena Bobbitt!

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Richard Witty says:

August 6, 2009 at 1:53 PM

You took that tablet paragraph as “promoting Z Street”?

What planet do you live on?

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- Richard Silverstein says:
  
  August 6, 2009 at 8:06 PM
  
  Earth, how ’bout you? Why write any story about Z Street at all? What do they bring to the table that is new, interesting, persuasive or compelling? Of all the issues to address in a new Jewish publication that claims its breaking new ground–Z Street?
  
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Richard Witty says:

August 6, 2009 at 9:33 PM

They were writing similarly to your point, of the absurdity of Z Street’s approach.

That is news.

Its news worthy of comment on this blog. That it is news worthy of comment on theirs should say to you, “we agree, maybe they heard it from me”.

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- Richard Silverstein says:
  
  August 6, 2009 at 11:29 PM
  
  They were writing similarly to your point
  
  They gave 2 brutish nonentities a forum to spew their hateful views.
  
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