Comments on: Gay Porno Hasbara

By: Alex Stein

Alex Stein — Mon, 03 Aug 2009 12:41:01 +0000

Richard – on the whole I think sympathetic critique works more effectively than harsh censure. Here I sometimes think you are out to paint Israel in as bad a light as possible, rather than to constructively engage with its problems.

By: Richard Silverstein

Richard Silverstein — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 18:57:49 +0000

It may be that you consider yrself a foil for my views & therefore come across as someone who always has to defend Israel or trumpet its virtues. But that is the way you sometimes come across (at least here). I know that you do have good values and do good work in the Israeli context. But I can only react based on what you write here, & that’s the way it often comes across.

I wish we had more in common here with our views about Israel. If you’re willing to be critical I don’t often see that here. Again, I understand you’re reacting to the context & you feel I am a harsh critic & that influences how you come across. But still…

By: Richard Silverstein

Richard Silverstein — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 18:50:34 +0000

Sorry I didn’t understand that.

By: The Hasbara Buster

The Hasbara Buster — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 16:06:13 +0000

The fact that a gay leader cites the Shas statements is proof that, contrary to what has been suggested here, the gay community of Israel does feel threatened by such hateful discourse, whatever its actual connection with the crime.

By: Alex Stein

Alex Stein — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 10:31:16 +0000

Richard – “Unlike you, I have no brief to prove that Israel is the best at this or that.” I have no brief like this either and you know it. Why do you have to write things like this about me?

By: Alex Stein

Alex Stein — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 10:28:27 +0000

Richard – the ‘I told you so’ comment was directed at Hasbara Buster.

By: Avram

Avram — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 07:53:27 +0000

Didn’t Andrew Cunan (sp?) go on a long spree killing homosexuals throughout the US before killing Versace and himself? Being South African, I remember this one unfortunately:

“Last year, Cape Town was stunned when nine male escorts, including the owner of the Sizzlers gay massage parlour, had their throats slit before being shot. ”

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3505514.stm

Also, can we wait before a killer is apprehended? What happens if this was (as I said in your post now) a ex-lover of some guy/gal at the club and not some homophobic nutter?

Btw, his ‘I told you so’ comment was (I think) directed at the Hasbara Buster (Mr. Right as I affectionately call him)

By: amir

amir — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 06:05:59 +0000

This was a horrifying and sad attack which I fully condemn. Most of the victims were kids. I’m not a member of the religious community, but if it turns out the murderer is, the police and Israeli society should place them under greater scrutiny. I still think that the answer to free speech is more free speech and not prosecution. Most of the quotes by Shas members I’ve heard are homophobic but do not, IMO, qualify as incitement to murder. In fact the statement “The Shas party has the blood of two innocent kids on their hands” is closer to incitement. Especially since we don’t know who committed the crime yet.
This murder makes me fell sick. LGBT have many achievements in Israel in the last 10 years, maybe they came too fast for some people. Something like this could never happen in a place where gays and lesbians were closeted and didn’t have places to meet openly and publicly. And no Richard, I didn’t see the headlines, I was up all night watching the developments live hoping they would catch the murderer.