Comments on: Republican Pollster Crafts Secret Handbook for Israel Lobby (Part 2)

By: 5ds

5ds — Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:12:32 +0000

luntz,

silverstein gives an effort to be decent. you are a total piece of deception.

no. there is nothing good about israel. an israeli actually being honest and truthful is not a good about israel.

that act is that person trying to get free of evil.

By: Richard Silverstein

Richard Silverstein — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:04:58 +0000

While I agree with your basic sentiment, please keep extraneous bile to a limit. Watch the language please. No need to express yr displeasure with Luntz by using the “F” word. Luntz is bad enough that we can find other means of expressing our disagreement & dislike with him.

By: Bill

Bill — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:43:14 +0000

Phuck you Frank. You are a master manipulator of the written and spoken word. Everything about you is decietful. You make a living twisting truth and lies together to create Frankspeak fitting to whichever agenda is at hand. You have no integrity as you will do and say anything to make a dollar and please your handlers. You have not an ethical bone in your body. Once again, as proven with this “not for publication” claptrap, your agenda is to hoodwink the American public into believing Israel is a friend of our Nation, by way of deceit.

By: Miles Stuart

Miles Stuart — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 03:39:04 +0000

Frank Luntz said:

Acutally, I read this blog frequently beause I’m interested in all perspectives. link

And then:

I don’t know who you are. I don’t know your background. I tried searching the web and all I can find is that you write this blog. I asked my well-connected friends in several Jewish organizations and they hadn’t heard of you, either. Maybe your readers can tell me what you do.

I think I'm getting a handle on where all the 'facts' in the Fictionary come from!

By: Richard Silverstein

Richard Silverstein — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:10:57 +0000

Frank: All you have to do is read my About page right in front of your nose linked in the sidebar. For someone who’s supposed to do research and presumably has a staff that helps you do this, you’re remarkably lacking in research skills.

I doubt very much that the Jewish leaders in whose circles you run have never heard of me. But if that’s true it once again indicates the insularity of their positions on this subject. One thing I can say for you is that at least you’ve been willing to enter the fray and deal w. my criticism in the limited way in which you have. Aipac, the ADL and AJC like to pretend that they’re in some august position that allows them to somehow represent the entire Jewish community w/o deigning to interact w. the majority of us who hold views opposite their own.

Frank, what do you know about Israel? I can only go by what you wrote in your Fictionary. And it indicates little more than a sloganeering perspective on Israel & its society. Next time you go if you really want to meet Israelis & Israeli Arabs who can open your mind to new ideas, get in touch & I’ll give you the benefit of my much wider experience (than yours).

By: Donald Johnson

Donald Johnson — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:54:02 +0000

I think you’re probably right. A person like Mr. Luntz didn’t make his name arguing fairly or in good faith.

By: Donald Johnson

Donald Johnson — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:49:19 +0000

This pretense of yours that you’re the reasonable man being shouted down might work with people who don’t know the issues, but you haven’t made one substantive reply in your posts here and I think you’re leaving because you know you’d lose any argument that was based on facts.

By: fiddler

fiddler — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:33:15 +0000

It might be helpful sometimes if people who “support Israel” clarified which Israel they have in mind. On its own it’s as nonsensical as “supporting the troops” – the troops doing what?
Is it the really existing Israel or a vision (which?) of what it could/should be? And if you think the parallels to the gulf between the “really existing socialism” of old and the original Marxist utopian vision are obvious, quite so.

Clearly Frank’s Israel is not Richard’s, but one has to concede that, on the face of it, the former seems better correlated to current reality than the latter. See Uzi Arad lay it out in all its glory: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1099064.html

according to Dror, it is important to ascertain that the deterrence will work, even if you yourself have been destroyed. He sees this as a contribution to the repair of the world [tikkun olam]. When we say “never again,” this entails three imperatives: never again will we be felled in mass numbers, never again will we be defenseless and never again will there be a situation in which those who harm us go unpunished.

(emphasis mine, not unfairly, I think)

An Israel with a raison d’etre of “never again to us (and screw di goyim)” and the chutzpah on top to call it “repair of the world” can go to hell, as far as I’m concerned.
(Note I’m not saying the same about Israelis, as in human beings.)

(Does anyone know which Dror he speaks of? This is the first and last time he’s mentioned.)