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		<title>By: amir</title>
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		<dc:creator>amir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;historic palestine&quot; hmm???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;historic palestine&#8221; hmm???</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 07:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Does anyone notice, any time the Arabs dont get their way, they always threaten violence.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Does anyone notice any time Israel doesn&#039;t get its way it always threatens violence??

Nomi: READ my comment rules.  Your comment above violates several.  If you post another comment that violates the rules your privileges here will be in danger.

I do not publish or respond to the lies, distortions or smears of MEMRI, CAMERA, NGO Monitor, Palestine Media Watch, or whatever group JPost is highlighting in your article.  The purpose of this blog is not to get into a pissing match with you or JPost or any of these propaganda outfits.  Nice try, but I&#039;m not biting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Does anyone notice, any time the Arabs dont get their way, they always threaten violence.</p></blockquote>
<p>Does anyone notice any time Israel doesn&#8217;t get its way it always threatens violence??</p>
<p>Nomi: READ my comment rules.  Your comment above violates several.  If you post another comment that violates the rules your privileges here will be in danger.</p>
<p>I do not publish or respond to the lies, distortions or smears of MEMRI, CAMERA, NGO Monitor, Palestine Media Watch, or whatever group JPost is highlighting in your article.  The purpose of this blog is not to get into a pissing match with you or JPost or any of these propaganda outfits.  Nice try, but I&#8217;m not biting.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 07:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;the previous Olmert goverment was very left wing&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Since Bar Kochba also believes that Olmert was &quot;left-wing&quot; it seems like Nomi &amp; he are cousins.  But this comment certainly tells you a lot about who Nomi is ideologically &amp; how much trust to place in anything she says.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Abbas was offered 97% of the West Bank&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That is a false number.  Prove it via a credible source.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Olmert wanted desperately to end the conflict.  Which proves to any sain [sic] person what the problem is.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yes, it proves that the only sane person as far as Nomi is concerned is someone who desperately DOES NOT want to end the conflict (except on Israel&#039;s terms).  That would be her current rightist government (if she&#039;s Israeli).

&lt;blockquote&gt;Abbas is no different then Arafat.
They both want 2 Palestinian states. There own state and to make Israel a Pal state.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
More lies.  THis is entirely made up by you &amp; your rightist propagandist friends.  My comment rules state that claims must be factual and not figments of your political imagination.  If you have a claim you must support it with a credible source.  If you present lies as facts your comment privileges will be in danger.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I truly think this Jewish left wing guilt will destroy Israel.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I truly think rightist pro-Israel lunacy of Nomi&#039;s sort will destroy Israel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>the previous Olmert goverment was very left wing</p></blockquote>
<p>Since Bar Kochba also believes that Olmert was &#8220;left-wing&#8221; it seems like Nomi &amp; he are cousins.  But this comment certainly tells you a lot about who Nomi is ideologically &amp; how much trust to place in anything she says.</p>
<blockquote><p>Abbas was offered 97% of the West Bank</p></blockquote>
<p>That is a false number.  Prove it via a credible source.</p>
<blockquote><p>Olmert wanted desperately to end the conflict.  Which proves to any sain [sic] person what the problem is.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, it proves that the only sane person as far as Nomi is concerned is someone who desperately DOES NOT want to end the conflict (except on Israel&#8217;s terms).  That would be her current rightist government (if she&#8217;s Israeli).</p>
<blockquote><p>Abbas is no different then Arafat.<br />
They both want 2 Palestinian states. There own state and to make Israel a Pal state.</p></blockquote>
<p>More lies.  THis is entirely made up by you &amp; your rightist propagandist friends.  My comment rules state that claims must be factual and not figments of your political imagination.  If you have a claim you must support it with a credible source.  If you present lies as facts your comment privileges will be in danger.</p>
<blockquote><p>I truly think this Jewish left wing guilt will destroy Israel.</p></blockquote>
<p>I truly think rightist pro-Israel lunacy of Nomi&#8217;s sort will destroy Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: LD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palestinian Arabs were the majority. Jews were the minority and yet were partitioned over 50 percent of Historic Palestine. It&#039;s never been fair for the Palestinians.

I don&#039;t believe your summary of Olmert&#039;s proposal. I want details. Since the previous offers have been revealed to be nothing but propaganda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palestinian Arabs were the majority. Jews were the minority and yet were partitioned over 50 percent of Historic Palestine. It&#8217;s never been fair for the Palestinians.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe your summary of Olmert&#8217;s proposal. I want details. Since the previous offers have been revealed to be nothing but propaganda.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 00:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nomi, wow, if you represent a significant swath of the Israeli mind-set, then us Americans have a lot to be worried about.  You state, &quot;Do you honestly think any Arab would give any land to Jews&quot;, talk about racist, essentialist thinking.  And if you think Olmert was &quot;left-wing&quot;, then your sense of the political spectrum is pretty out there.  Obama is far more progressive in his world-view than Olmert was, and I consider Obama a centre-right American President overall (at least so far). 

As for Iran, at least we&#039;re seeing thousands of men and women in the streets of Teheran, it seems there is some robust dissent over there in the Islamic Republic.  The picture on the front page of the New York Times today is great.  This popular Iranian dissent is sadly more than can be said for my own country back in 2000 when George Bush and the Republicans clearly stole that election.  I don&#039;t remember massive earth-shaking demonstrations in American streets when our democrary was shown to be a farce.  Perhaps Iran has a healthier, more robust, civil society than we do as I see all the vigorous dissent going on over there as we speak.  Frankly, the U.S. and particularly Israel are not in the best shape to lecture the non-Western world about democracy.  Countries like Denmark, Sweden, Germany, France, Norway, Belgium, the Netherlands, etc. (i.e., actual functioning democracies) frankly have more of a solid basis for lecturing about healthy democracy than we do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nomi, wow, if you represent a significant swath of the Israeli mind-set, then us Americans have a lot to be worried about.  You state, &#8220;Do you honestly think any Arab would give any land to Jews&#8221;, talk about racist, essentialist thinking.  And if you think Olmert was &#8220;left-wing&#8221;, then your sense of the political spectrum is pretty out there.  Obama is far more progressive in his world-view than Olmert was, and I consider Obama a centre-right American President overall (at least so far). </p>
<p>As for Iran, at least we&#8217;re seeing thousands of men and women in the streets of Teheran, it seems there is some robust dissent over there in the Islamic Republic.  The picture on the front page of the New York Times today is great.  This popular Iranian dissent is sadly more than can be said for my own country back in 2000 when George Bush and the Republicans clearly stole that election.  I don&#8217;t remember massive earth-shaking demonstrations in American streets when our democrary was shown to be a farce.  Perhaps Iran has a healthier, more robust, civil society than we do as I see all the vigorous dissent going on over there as we speak.  Frankly, the U.S. and particularly Israel are not in the best shape to lecture the non-Western world about democracy.  Countries like Denmark, Sweden, Germany, France, Norway, Belgium, the Netherlands, etc. (i.e., actual functioning democracies) frankly have more of a solid basis for lecturing about healthy democracy than we do.</p>
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		<title>By: Nomi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nomi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bar_kochba132, the reality is, it doesn&#039;t matter who the Israeli PM is.  
The problem is not Netanyahu, cause the previous Olmert goverment was very left wing when it came to concessions. 
You can read about it here. 
http://www.mererhetoric.com/archives/11275600.html 
Abbas was offered 97% of the West Bank, 3% of Israel, division of Jerusalem and Olmert insanely would allow in thousands of Palestinians to Israel.
Abbas rejected Olmert.  
Olmert wanted desperately to end the conflict. 
Which proves to any sain person what the problem is.
Its called Palestinian Rejectionism.
Abbas is no different then Arafat. 
They both want 2 Palestinian states.  There own state and to make Israel a Pal state.
I would also point out.  If it was the other way around and the Arabs won a war verse Israel and took over Israel.
Do you honestly think any Arab would give any land to Jews.
All you have to do is look at the Kurds to understand what i&#039;m talking about. 
I truly think this Jewish left wing guilt will destroy Israel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bar_kochba132, the reality is, it doesn&#8217;t matter who the Israeli PM is.<br />
The problem is not Netanyahu, cause the previous Olmert goverment was very left wing when it came to concessions.<br />
You can read about it here.<br />
<a href="http://www.mererhetoric.com/archives/11275600.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mererhetoric.com/archives/11275600.html</a><br />
Abbas was offered 97% of the West Bank, 3% of Israel, division of Jerusalem and Olmert insanely would allow in thousands of Palestinians to Israel.<br />
Abbas rejected Olmert.<br />
Olmert wanted desperately to end the conflict.<br />
Which proves to any sain person what the problem is.<br />
Its called Palestinian Rejectionism.<br />
Abbas is no different then Arafat.<br />
They both want 2 Palestinian states.  There own state and to make Israel a Pal state.<br />
I would also point out.  If it was the other way around and the Arabs won a war verse Israel and took over Israel.<br />
Do you honestly think any Arab would give any land to Jews.<br />
All you have to do is look at the Kurds to understand what i&#8217;m talking about.<br />
I truly think this Jewish left wing guilt will destroy Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: bar_kochba132</title>
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		<dc:creator>bar_kochba132</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard-
As usual, you dismissed my observation that Netanyahu has a solid national consensus behind him. Well, look at this from Ha&#039;aretz:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1093234.html


Richard, you have to understand...your views are on the very fringes of Israeli public opinion. You are to the left of MERETZ. I would say the only party that espouses views like yours is HADASH. Don&#039;t forget that MERETZ shrunk to 3 seats in the last election. The original &quot;peace camp&quot;, i.e. Labor and MERETZ is almost totally discredited in Israel. They had 56 seats in the Knesset when they made the Oslo Agreements. Today they have 16. The Right , and by that I mean parties that support Jewish settlement in Judea/Samaria and a tough line on negotiations with the Palestinians has a solid majority in the Knesset.  This is the reality of the situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard-<br />
As usual, you dismissed my observation that Netanyahu has a solid national consensus behind him. Well, look at this from Ha&#8217;aretz:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1093234.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1093234.html</a></p>
<p>Richard, you have to understand&#8230;your views are on the very fringes of Israeli public opinion. You are to the left of MERETZ. I would say the only party that espouses views like yours is HADASH. Don&#8217;t forget that MERETZ shrunk to 3 seats in the last election. The original &#8220;peace camp&#8221;, i.e. Labor and MERETZ is almost totally discredited in Israel. They had 56 seats in the Knesset when they made the Oslo Agreements. Today they have 16. The Right , and by that I mean parties that support Jewish settlement in Judea/Samaria and a tough line on negotiations with the Palestinians has a solid majority in the Knesset.  This is the reality of the situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Nomi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nomi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 15:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love how the PA has objected to Netanyahu&#039;s rejection of a Palestinian &quot;right of return,&quot; saying this would prevent peace! 
Then dont you just love how Palestinians threaten to start another war.
Does anyone notice, any time the Arabs dont get their way, they always threaten violence.
Netanyahu should be commended.  He made it very clear Israel is not becoming an Arab state.  The Arabs are freaking out over this. 
They were so used to Olmert who caved into all their demands. 
Richard, If your concerned about Jerusalem you would respond to Palestinian lies.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love how the PA has objected to Netanyahu&#8217;s rejection of a Palestinian &#8220;right of return,&#8221; saying this would prevent peace!<br />
Then dont you just love how Palestinians threaten to start another war.<br />
Does anyone notice, any time the Arabs dont get their way, they always threaten violence.<br />
Netanyahu should be commended.  He made it very clear Israel is not becoming an Arab state.  The Arabs are freaking out over this.<br />
They were so used to Olmert who caved into all their demands.<br />
Richard, If your concerned about Jerusalem you would respond to Palestinian lies.</p>
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