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		<title>By: Brad Stroud</title>
		<link>http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2009/05/28/us-war-against-settlements-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-110252</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Stroud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 12:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Margaret - If I understand you correctly, I agree. It is too exacting a demand to have Hamas relinquish violence before rather than as part of a peace settlement. This demand seems to be the way to make it appear to want Hamas to be part of the political process while simultaneously requiring that they renounce the only thing that causes them to be taken seriously in the first place. It would be bad politics and bad judgment to give up their own deterrent to Israeli aggression as a pre-condition to talks. This must be obvious to everyone even if they wish not to acknowledge it.

Martillo - I agree with the dismantlement strategy. It seems that if you want a settlement freeze you best not demand a settlement freeze. Better to demand a real goodwill gesture - the initiation of dismantlement. (This has been my own little position on it the last couple months. I&#039;m waiting to hear that word used by Obama.). The Foundation for Middle East Peace, has also emphasized the importance of thinking in terms of dismantling settlements given the current realities. 

Dickerson - Thanks for the link.

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As for the strong language being used:

&quot;Hillary Clinton’s statement was notable because the language was stronger than we’ve heard in years,” said Ali Abunimah, the co-founder of Electronic Intifada, a Web site that analyzes the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. “And clearer than we’ve heard in years. But the burden of proof is still on them. If it’s just going to be strong statements, that’s not enough.&quot; (NYT)

and

&quot;Unless these statements [against settlement construction] are followed by decisive action – perhaps to limit American subsidies to Israel – there&#039;s no reason to believe the lip service that failed in the past will suddenly be more effective,&quot; wrote Ali Abuminah, a co-founder of the Electronic Intifada website, in the Nation magazine. (IPS)

Hard to disagree with that assessment. So then, from strong language to ... ? The moment of truth is near.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Margaret &#8211; If I understand you correctly, I agree. It is too exacting a demand to have Hamas relinquish violence before rather than as part of a peace settlement. This demand seems to be the way to make it appear to want Hamas to be part of the political process while simultaneously requiring that they renounce the only thing that causes them to be taken seriously in the first place. It would be bad politics and bad judgment to give up their own deterrent to Israeli aggression as a pre-condition to talks. This must be obvious to everyone even if they wish not to acknowledge it.</p>
<p>Martillo &#8211; I agree with the dismantlement strategy. It seems that if you want a settlement freeze you best not demand a settlement freeze. Better to demand a real goodwill gesture &#8211; the initiation of dismantlement. (This has been my own little position on it the last couple months. I&#8217;m waiting to hear that word used by Obama.). The Foundation for Middle East Peace, has also emphasized the importance of thinking in terms of dismantling settlements given the current realities. </p>
<p>Dickerson &#8211; Thanks for the link.</p>
<p>*</p>
<p>As for the strong language being used:</p>
<p>&#8220;Hillary Clinton’s statement was notable because the language was stronger than we’ve heard in years,” said Ali Abunimah, the co-founder of Electronic Intifada, a Web site that analyzes the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. “And clearer than we’ve heard in years. But the burden of proof is still on them. If it’s just going to be strong statements, that’s not enough.&#8221; (NYT)</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>&#8220;Unless these statements [against settlement construction] are followed by decisive action – perhaps to limit American subsidies to Israel – there&#8217;s no reason to believe the lip service that failed in the past will suddenly be more effective,&#8221; wrote Ali Abuminah, a co-founder of the Electronic Intifada website, in the Nation magazine. (IPS)</p>
<p>Hard to disagree with that assessment. So then, from strong language to &#8230; ? The moment of truth is near.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 07:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Newsy looks quite interesting &amp; you feature in the linked video one of my favorite commentators, Kung Fu Jew of Jewschool.

&lt;blockquote&gt;...including Palestine recognizing Israel as a Jewish state, for this to go through.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
No,  I don&#039;t agree with you on that.  Palestine will have to recognize Israel, but not as a Jewish state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newsy looks quite interesting &amp; you feature in the linked video one of my favorite commentators, Kung Fu Jew of Jewschool.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;including Palestine recognizing Israel as a Jewish state, for this to go through.</p></blockquote>
<p>No,  I don&#8217;t agree with you on that.  Palestine will have to recognize Israel, but not as a Jewish state.</p>
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		<title>By: DICKERSON3870</title>
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		<dc:creator>DICKERSON3870</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 03:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WIKIPEDIA ‘CHICKENHAWK’ REFERENCE -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chickenhawk_(politics)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WIKIPEDIA ‘CHICKENHAWK’ REFERENCE -</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chickenhawk_(politics)" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chickenhawk_(politics)</a></p>
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		<title>By: DICKERSON3870</title>
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		<dc:creator>DICKERSON3870</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 03:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE:”Daniel Pipes was supposed to take part, but he chickened out.”

MY COMMENT: That&#039;s a REAL &#039;chickenhawk&#039; for you!

WIKIPEDIA &#039;CHICKENHAWK&#039; REFERENCE -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chickenhawk_(politics)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE:”Daniel Pipes was supposed to take part, but he chickened out.”</p>
<p>MY COMMENT: That&#8217;s a REAL &#8216;chickenhawk&#8217; for you!</p>
<p>WIKIPEDIA &#8216;CHICKENHAWK&#8217; REFERENCE -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chickenhawk_(politics)</p>
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		<title>By: DICKERSON3870</title>
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		<dc:creator>DICKERSON3870</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 03:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: &quot;It’s hard not to think this is all intentional.&quot;

SEE: &quot;The Gaza Bombshell&quot;, by David Rose @ &quot;Vanity Fair&quot;, April 2008

(EXCERPT) After failing to anticipate Hamas’s victory over Fatah in the 2006 Palestinian election, the White House cooked up yet another scandalously covert and self-defeating Middle East debacle: part Iran-contra, part Bay of Pigs. With confidential documents, corroborated by outraged former and current U.S. officials, the author reveals how President Bush, Condoleezza Rice, and Deputy National-Security Adviser Elliott Abrams backed an armed force under Fatah strongman Muhammad Dahlan, touching off a bloody civil war in Gaza and leaving Hamas stronger than ever...

ENTIRE ARTICLE - http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/04/gaza200804</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: &#8220;It’s hard not to think this is all intentional.&#8221;</p>
<p>SEE: &#8220;The Gaza Bombshell&#8221;, by David Rose @ &#8220;Vanity Fair&#8221;, April 2008</p>
<p>(EXCERPT) After failing to anticipate Hamas’s victory over Fatah in the 2006 Palestinian election, the White House cooked up yet another scandalously covert and self-defeating Middle East debacle: part Iran-contra, part Bay of Pigs. With confidential documents, corroborated by outraged former and current U.S. officials, the author reveals how President Bush, Condoleezza Rice, and Deputy National-Security Adviser Elliott Abrams backed an armed force under Fatah strongman Muhammad Dahlan, touching off a bloody civil war in Gaza and leaving Hamas stronger than ever&#8230;</p>
<p>ENTIRE ARTICLE &#8211; <a href="http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/04/gaza200804" rel="nofollow">http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/04/gaza200804</a></p>
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		<title>By: DICKERSON3870</title>
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		<dc:creator>DICKERSON3870</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 03:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE:&quot;Daniel Pipes was supposed to take part, but he chickened out.&quot;

SQUAWK, SQUAWK, SQUAWK - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyeZT_Kg65I&amp;NR=1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE:&#8221;Daniel Pipes was supposed to take part, but he chickened out.&#8221;</p>
<p>SQUAWK, SQUAWK, SQUAWK &#8211; <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyeZT_Kg65I&#038;NR=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyeZT_Kg65I&#038;NR=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brad Stroud</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Stroud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 03:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Admittedly, the Israelis have done their best to render Abbas impotent and politically irrelevant, which may explain part of the reason there was so little to report from this event.&quot;

&quot;The fact that Obama insists on the same tired articulation of Hamas as a terrorist entity is disappointing.&quot;

My Comment:

Part of the problem here is that the US and Israel will not allow Palestinians to sort out their politics on their own: They interfere relentlessly. From rejecting the democratically elected Hamas in 2006 to insisting on the inclusion of particular Fatah members that Fatah and the general public DO NOT WANT (i.e., US friendly Salam Fayyad as Prime Minister), to insisting on a weak and ineffectual Abbas as President.

It’s hard not to think this is all intentional. Had the democratically elected Hamas been allowed to govern - and, face it, Israeli/US interference with this is as anti-democracy as it gets - the show would be on, Israel would be whining but nonetheless an effective truce (Hudna) would already be in place.

Someone doesn’t want peace and it isn’t the Palestinians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Admittedly, the Israelis have done their best to render Abbas impotent and politically irrelevant, which may explain part of the reason there was so little to report from this event.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The fact that Obama insists on the same tired articulation of Hamas as a terrorist entity is disappointing.&#8221;</p>
<p>My Comment:</p>
<p>Part of the problem here is that the US and Israel will not allow Palestinians to sort out their politics on their own: They interfere relentlessly. From rejecting the democratically elected Hamas in 2006 to insisting on the inclusion of particular Fatah members that Fatah and the general public DO NOT WANT (i.e., US friendly Salam Fayyad as Prime Minister), to insisting on a weak and ineffectual Abbas as President.</p>
<p>It’s hard not to think this is all intentional. Had the democratically elected Hamas been allowed to govern &#8211; and, face it, Israeli/US interference with this is as anti-democracy as it gets &#8211; the show would be on, Israel would be whining but nonetheless an effective truce (Hudna) would already be in place.</p>
<p>Someone doesn’t want peace and it isn’t the Palestinians.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 02:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s time - actually, it&#039;s waaaaay past time - for all of the settlements to be fully opened to Arab residents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s time &#8211; actually, it&#8217;s waaaaay past time &#8211; for all of the settlements to be fully opened to Arab residents.</p>
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