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	<title>Comments on: Yehoshua Zettler, Bernadotte&#8217;s Assassin Dies</title>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 07:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is interesting.  It still comes nowhere near proving Arlosoroff was murdered by Arabs or by Goebbels.  But it&#039;s a fascinating &amp; bizarre story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is interesting.  It still comes nowhere near proving Arlosoroff was murdered by Arabs or by Goebbels.  But it&#8217;s a fascinating &#038; bizarre story.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 07:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Israel_de_Haan&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s the link&lt;/a&gt; to the Wikipedia article.  It&#039;s incredibly fascinating.  Imagine a haredi Jew who was gay and wrote novels about homosexual life and sado-masochism.  Not to mention that he opposed the creation of a Jewish state.

Also the fact that the Zionist movement was willing to murder its own as early as 1924 was shocking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Israel_de_Haan" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s the link</a> to the Wikipedia article.  It&#8217;s incredibly fascinating.  Imagine a haredi Jew who was gay and wrote novels about homosexual life and sado-masochism.  Not to mention that he opposed the creation of a Jewish state.</p>
<p>Also the fact that the Zionist movement was willing to murder its own as early as 1924 was shocking.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 14:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there are good reasons to believe that the affair between Magda Goebbels and Arlosoroff did take place. &lt;a href=&quot;http://myrightword.blogspot.com/2008/11/from-suzzane-to-magda-to-arlosoroff.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;See some info here.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there are good reasons to believe that the affair between Magda Goebbels and Arlosoroff did take place. <a href="http://myrightword.blogspot.com/2008/11/from-suzzane-to-magda-to-arlosoroff.html" rel="nofollow">See some info here.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 08:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;why do you always assume “Right-wingers” are automatically liars? &lt;/blockquote&gt;
No, I never said that.  You did.  Right-wingers have a decided ideological bias which should be accounted for when judging the reliability of anything they say.  That doesn&#039;t mean they lie.  It doesn&#039;t mean that EVERYTHING they say should be discounted.  It means that care should be given to what one believes at face value.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Why should I tell you automatically the affiliaition of everyone I quote?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Uh, maybe because then I&#039;d have more trust in what you say?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Do you?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Unlike you, I DO acknowledge weaknesses or problems in the arguments of those whose views and work I quote here who share my political outlook.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Are you saying that Ben-Gurion, although in your eyes “an expeller of Arabs” would NEVER lie to get what he wanted politically?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Every politician lies.  It comes with the territory.  Ben Gurion certainly would&#039;ve had no problem lying for what he believed to be a good cause.

Your claim that an Arab killed Arlosoroff and that he had an affair with Goebbels wife to be are either totally unsubstantiated or flat out mischaracterizations of the Wikipedia article.  You seem to have forgotten to address those problems with yr prior claims.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I demand that you prove the quotes from the book are lies.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That&#039;s not what I said.  Maybe if you could accurately characterize what I said about the inadequacies of the book then I&#039;d actually have more respect for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>why do you always assume “Right-wingers” are automatically liars? </p></blockquote>
<p>No, I never said that.  You did.  Right-wingers have a decided ideological bias which should be accounted for when judging the reliability of anything they say.  That doesn&#8217;t mean they lie.  It doesn&#8217;t mean that EVERYTHING they say should be discounted.  It means that care should be given to what one believes at face value.</p>
<blockquote><p>Why should I tell you automatically the affiliaition of everyone I quote?</p></blockquote>
<p>Uh, maybe because then I&#8217;d have more trust in what you say?</p>
<blockquote><p>Do you?</p></blockquote>
<p>Unlike you, I DO acknowledge weaknesses or problems in the arguments of those whose views and work I quote here who share my political outlook.</p>
<blockquote><p>Are you saying that Ben-Gurion, although in your eyes “an expeller of Arabs” would NEVER lie to get what he wanted politically?</p></blockquote>
<p>Every politician lies.  It comes with the territory.  Ben Gurion certainly would&#8217;ve had no problem lying for what he believed to be a good cause.</p>
<p>Your claim that an Arab killed Arlosoroff and that he had an affair with Goebbels wife to be are either totally unsubstantiated or flat out mischaracterizations of the Wikipedia article.  You seem to have forgotten to address those problems with yr prior claims.</p>
<blockquote><p>I demand that you prove the quotes from the book are lies.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s not what I said.  Maybe if you could accurately characterize what I said about the inadequacies of the book then I&#8217;d actually have more respect for you.</p>
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		<title>By: bar_kochba132</title>
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		<dc:creator>bar_kochba132</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 07:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, he was a member of MERETZ. Shinui joined MERETZ in the 1988 elections and then when Poraz took over he split off from them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, he was a member of MERETZ. Shinui joined MERETZ in the 1988 elections and then when Poraz took over he split off from them.</p>
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		<title>By: bar_kochba132</title>
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		<dc:creator>bar_kochba132</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 07:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard, why do you always assume &quot;Right-wingers&quot; are automatically liars? Why should I tell you automatically the affiliaition of everyone I quote? Do you? I remember your classic statement &quot;consider the source!&quot;. Does this mean all political people EXCEPT for Leftists are inherently liars? Leftists never lie? Arabs never lie? Really?
Are you saying that Lebel made up the quotes from Rubinstein and Leibowitz because he is a &quot;right-winger&quot; and thus automatically a liar? Are you saying that Ben-Gurion, although in your eyes &quot;an expeller of Arabs&quot; would NEVER lie to get what he wanted politically? That he would never lie in order to persecute his political opponents? That he would NEVER tell people to give false evidence in court in order to advance his political agenda. Is he a saint when it comes to internal Israeli politics, but a devil when it comes to the Arabs? Does that make sense?

You called me a liar because I directly quoted (unfortunately becaue I didn&#039;t have link) Meron Benveniste in Ha&#039;aretz as saying Leftists should not automatically reject Netanyahu&#039;s plan for developing the Palestinian economy prior to a politcal agreement. You wrote &quot;Benveniste would never agree to anything Netanyahu says&quot;. I was not lying and you have no grounds for making such an accusation. Do you really think everyone is as closed minded as you seem to think they are? Do you think even people on the Left think as you do all the time?

I demand that you prove the quotes from the book are lies. THE BURDEN OF PROOF IN IS ON YOU, MY FRIEND.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, why do you always assume &#8220;Right-wingers&#8221; are automatically liars? Why should I tell you automatically the affiliaition of everyone I quote? Do you? I remember your classic statement &#8220;consider the source!&#8221;. Does this mean all political people EXCEPT for Leftists are inherently liars? Leftists never lie? Arabs never lie? Really?<br />
Are you saying that Lebel made up the quotes from Rubinstein and Leibowitz because he is a &#8220;right-winger&#8221; and thus automatically a liar? Are you saying that Ben-Gurion, although in your eyes &#8220;an expeller of Arabs&#8221; would NEVER lie to get what he wanted politically? That he would never lie in order to persecute his political opponents? That he would NEVER tell people to give false evidence in court in order to advance his political agenda. Is he a saint when it comes to internal Israeli politics, but a devil when it comes to the Arabs? Does that make sense?</p>
<p>You called me a liar because I directly quoted (unfortunately becaue I didn&#8217;t have link) Meron Benveniste in Ha&#8217;aretz as saying Leftists should not automatically reject Netanyahu&#8217;s plan for developing the Palestinian economy prior to a politcal agreement. You wrote &#8220;Benveniste would never agree to anything Netanyahu says&#8221;. I was not lying and you have no grounds for making such an accusation. Do you really think everyone is as closed minded as you seem to think they are? Do you think even people on the Left think as you do all the time?</p>
<p>I demand that you prove the quotes from the book are lies. THE BURDEN OF PROOF IN IS ON YOU, MY FRIEND.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 22:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;He was murdered by Arabs. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
There is absolutely no concrete proof to support this claim.  This is so typical of you.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Josef Goebbels wife Magda had been Arlosoroff’s girlfriend years before&lt;/blockquote&gt;
This too is a mischaracterization of the Wikipedia article.  It says:

&lt;blockquote&gt;During the first world war, Magda Behrend, who later became the wife of Joseph Goebbels, met and became close friends with Lisa Arlosoroff, Haim Arlosoroff&#039;s sister. The nature of her relationship with Haim Arlosoroff is &lt;em&gt;unknown&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
You do understand the meaning of the term &quot;unknown&quot; don&#039;t you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>He was murdered by Arabs. </p></blockquote>
<p>There is absolutely no concrete proof to support this claim.  This is so typical of you.</p>
<blockquote><p>Josef Goebbels wife Magda had been Arlosoroff’s girlfriend years before</p></blockquote>
<p>This too is a mischaracterization of the Wikipedia article.  It says:</p>
<blockquote><p>During the first world war, Magda Behrend, who later became the wife of Joseph Goebbels, met and became close friends with Lisa Arlosoroff, Haim Arlosoroff&#8217;s sister. The nature of her relationship with Haim Arlosoroff is <em>unknown</em>.</p></blockquote>
<p>You do understand the meaning of the term &#8220;unknown&#8221; don&#8217;t you?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 22:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know personally a close family member of Leibowitz.  I will check out what he actually believed regarding this subject, rather than what a right-wing blog commenter quoting a Revionist apologist, believed.

Amnon Rubinstein was never a Meretz cabinet member.  There was no Meretz when he was a cabinet member.  He was liberal-left at one time but has long ceased being so.  So I&#039;m afraid quoting him on any particular subject as if he represents what the left should think is a waste of time.  Claiming that railroading someone for murder is akin to &quot;murdering&quot; them or that believing the Revisionists were guilty is &quot;evil&quot; seems far fetched in the extreme.  It may be unjust or even corrupt, but &quot;murder?&quot;  C&#039;mon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know personally a close family member of Leibowitz.  I will check out what he actually believed regarding this subject, rather than what a right-wing blog commenter quoting a Revionist apologist, believed.</p>
<p>Amnon Rubinstein was never a Meretz cabinet member.  There was no Meretz when he was a cabinet member.  He was liberal-left at one time but has long ceased being so.  So I&#8217;m afraid quoting him on any particular subject as if he represents what the left should think is a waste of time.  Claiming that railroading someone for murder is akin to &#8220;murdering&#8221; them or that believing the Revisionists were guilty is &#8220;evil&#8221; seems far fetched in the extreme.  It may be unjust or even corrupt, but &#8220;murder?&#8221;  C&#8217;mon.</p>
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