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	<title>Comments on: Who Will Be the Next Steve Rosen?</title>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 05:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Where are the Israeli spies now?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Now if I knew the answer to that question do you think I&#039;d be sitting here writing a response to yr cockamamie spiels?  I&#039;d be reporting it to the FBI.  But if you think that Israel isn&#039;t continuing to penetrate U.S. society through methods covert &amp; overt then you&#039;re a fool, a dupe, and entirely credulous, besides being a pro-Israel apologist.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Judge Ellis was upheld unanimously on appeal&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That says absolutely nothing about whether he was correct in saying there was only a single document passed.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Look at the indictment&lt;/blockquote&gt;
No, I don&#039;t play these games.  You made the claim that not a single document was passed (which you then revised).  It&#039;s up to you to prove that claim by actually reading the indictment which I bet you haven&#039;t.  You&#039;ve prob. read the crib sheet written by Pipes, et al.  Not the same as reading the original.  Besides, it&#039;ll do you good.

You claim you don&#039;t trust Stephen Green, who presents the actual documents, in his book, which you claim to be looking for.  Talk about ostriches with their head in the sand.  It&#039;ll also do you good to read Green.  Don&#039;t go crying to me you can&#039;t find documents when you refuse to read the best work on the topic because you claim without any foundation that it is too biases to trust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Where are the Israeli spies now?</p></blockquote>
<p>Now if I knew the answer to that question do you think I&#8217;d be sitting here writing a response to yr cockamamie spiels?  I&#8217;d be reporting it to the FBI.  But if you think that Israel isn&#8217;t continuing to penetrate U.S. society through methods covert &amp; overt then you&#8217;re a fool, a dupe, and entirely credulous, besides being a pro-Israel apologist.</p>
<blockquote><p>Judge Ellis was upheld unanimously on appeal</p></blockquote>
<p>That says absolutely nothing about whether he was correct in saying there was only a single document passed.</p>
<blockquote><p>Look at the indictment</p></blockquote>
<p>No, I don&#8217;t play these games.  You made the claim that not a single document was passed (which you then revised).  It&#8217;s up to you to prove that claim by actually reading the indictment which I bet you haven&#8217;t.  You&#8217;ve prob. read the crib sheet written by Pipes, et al.  Not the same as reading the original.  Besides, it&#8217;ll do you good.</p>
<p>You claim you don&#8217;t trust Stephen Green, who presents the actual documents, in his book, which you claim to be looking for.  Talk about ostriches with their head in the sand.  It&#8217;ll also do you good to read Green.  Don&#8217;t go crying to me you can&#8217;t find documents when you refuse to read the best work on the topic because you claim without any foundation that it is too biases to trust.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 14:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good try. The elderly Jew arrested for spying committed the offenses from 1979 to 1985.  Which I am sure you knew.  Where are the Israeli spies now?
The esteemed Judge Ellis was upheld unanimously on appeal, each time the prosecutor questioned his decisions, but you don&#039;t trust his case summary?  
Look at the indictment and show me a single instance where it is alleged that Rosen and Weissman passed a classified document to an unauthorized person.  Since in your opinion there were many documents passed to Israeli spies that should not be too hard.  Not information,  classified documents.
Just as you don&#039;t trust Daniel Pipes, Camera etc.  I don&#039;t trust Counterpunch, Raimondo, Grant Smith or Stephen Green.  I have been looking for the actual documents released through the freedom of information law on the Bryen case, but though Saba talks about it a lot I can&#039;t seem to find those documents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good try. The elderly Jew arrested for spying committed the offenses from 1979 to 1985.  Which I am sure you knew.  Where are the Israeli spies now?<br />
The esteemed Judge Ellis was upheld unanimously on appeal, each time the prosecutor questioned his decisions, but you don&#8217;t trust his case summary?<br />
Look at the indictment and show me a single instance where it is alleged that Rosen and Weissman passed a classified document to an unauthorized person.  Since in your opinion there were many documents passed to Israeli spies that should not be too hard.  Not information,  classified documents.<br />
Just as you don&#8217;t trust Daniel Pipes, Camera etc.  I don&#8217;t trust Counterpunch, Raimondo, Grant Smith or Stephen Green.  I have been looking for the actual documents released through the freedom of information law on the Bryen case, but though Saba talks about it a lot I can&#8217;t seem to find those documents.</p>
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		<title>By: Zhu Bajie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zhu Bajie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 04:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe they are distinguished in a bad way? Like being spies?

Zhu Bajie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe they are distinguished in a bad way? Like being spies?</p>
<p>Zhu Bajie</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 19:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I am not a member of Aipac. I’ve never met Steve Rosen.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Do you have any connection to ANYONE (including lawyers) affiliated with the case?  Are you a member, supporter, employee of any other Israel lobby groups?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Let’s look at Judge Ellis’ statement summarizing the indictment.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
No, I&#039;m not talking about anything Judge Elllis said as he&#039;s proven himself entirely too enamored of the defense position.  Quote me from the ORIGINAL source, the indictment showing there were no documents.  And btw, you claimed there were NO documents, &amp; then you contradicted yrself by admitting a judge favorable to the defense even acknowledges there was at least one.  A little problem there, don&#039;t you think?

&lt;blockquote&gt;I don’t buy it and neither did the government.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That&#039;s a willful distortion of what actually  happened.  Philip Heyman, deputy AG dismissed the charges for reasons entirely unrelated to the quality of the evidence.  After all, they had the photos and eyewitness confirmation of transfer plus further evidence they worked up afterward about Bryen&#039;s perfidy.  Before you proclaim yr ignorance you ought to read the most authoritative account of the case in Stephen Green&#039;s book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I am not a member of Aipac. I’ve never met Steve Rosen.</p></blockquote>
<p>Do you have any connection to ANYONE (including lawyers) affiliated with the case?  Are you a member, supporter, employee of any other Israel lobby groups?</p>
<blockquote><p>Let’s look at Judge Ellis’ statement summarizing the indictment.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, I&#8217;m not talking about anything Judge Elllis said as he&#8217;s proven himself entirely too enamored of the defense position.  Quote me from the ORIGINAL source, the indictment showing there were no documents.  And btw, you claimed there were NO documents, &#038; then you contradicted yrself by admitting a judge favorable to the defense even acknowledges there was at least one.  A little problem there, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
<blockquote><p>I don’t buy it and neither did the government.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s a willful distortion of what actually  happened.  Philip Heyman, deputy AG dismissed the charges for reasons entirely unrelated to the quality of the evidence.  After all, they had the photos and eyewitness confirmation of transfer plus further evidence they worked up afterward about Bryen&#8217;s perfidy.  Before you proclaim yr ignorance you ought to read the most authoritative account of the case in Stephen Green&#8217;s book.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 14:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You are so full of it you don’t even know. Actually the indictment paints a totally damning picture of them &amp; reveals they’d been passing documents for quite a long period of time &amp; been surveilled going back to 1999. If your claim is correct then do point out passages fr. the indictment which indicate they never passed documents. You won’t because you can’t.&quot;

Really?  Let&#039;s look at Judge Ellis&#039; statement summarizing the indictment. 
Judge Ellis:
 &quot;Notably, with one exception, all alleged NDI disclosures to defendants were made orally rather than by way of documents.&quot;
http://www.fas.org/sgp/jud/aipac/rosen021709.pdf
That one exception was a document written up by Franklin and faxed to Rosen.  If the government witnessed all these classified documents passing hands that you imagine, they were not in the charges.
I am not a member of Aipac.  I&#039;ve never met Steve Rosen.  
I really don&#039;t know much about Dr. Bryen other than what I read on Counterpunch.  The whole premise that he would shout out &quot;here are the classified documents on the U.S. bases&quot; only to be overheard by the head of an Arab organization who just happened to be listening sounds absurd.  I don&#039;t buy it and neither did the government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You are so full of it you don’t even know. Actually the indictment paints a totally damning picture of them &amp; reveals they’d been passing documents for quite a long period of time &amp; been surveilled going back to 1999. If your claim is correct then do point out passages fr. the indictment which indicate they never passed documents. You won’t because you can’t.&#8221;</p>
<p>Really?  Let&#8217;s look at Judge Ellis&#8217; statement summarizing the indictment.<br />
Judge Ellis:<br />
 &#8220;Notably, with one exception, all alleged NDI disclosures to defendants were made orally rather than by way of documents.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.fas.org/sgp/jud/aipac/rosen021709.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.fas.org/sgp/jud/aipac/rosen021709.pdf</a><br />
That one exception was a document written up by Franklin and faxed to Rosen.  If the government witnessed all these classified documents passing hands that you imagine, they were not in the charges.<br />
I am not a member of Aipac.  I&#8217;ve never met Steve Rosen.<br />
I really don&#8217;t know much about Dr. Bryen other than what I read on Counterpunch.  The whole premise that he would shout out &#8220;here are the classified documents on the U.S. bases&#8221; only to be overheard by the head of an Arab organization who just happened to be listening sounds absurd.  I don&#8217;t buy it and neither did the government.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Stein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Stein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 08:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does that mean you don&#039;t give a damn when other people do the same thing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does that mean you don&#8217;t give a damn when other people do the same thing?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Stein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Stein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 08:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well exactly - I think you should emphasise that when talking about Israel&#039;s interests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well exactly &#8211; I think you should emphasise that when talking about Israel&#8217;s interests.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 07:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a diff. bet. what I perceive Israel&#039;s best interest to be and what most recent Israeli government&#039;s perceive that interest to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a diff. bet. what I perceive Israel&#8217;s best interest to be and what most recent Israeli government&#8217;s perceive that interest to be.</p>
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