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	<title>Comments on: Mitchell Slapdown: Refuses Netanyahu Demand That Palestinians Recognize Israel as Jewish State</title>
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		<title>By: Miles Stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miles Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 02:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Israel is located in the Middle East where these types of states have not been too successful&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The reasons for this are many and varied but they have nothing to do with an innate deficiency of the peoples of those states, Muslim or otherwise. The principle factors which have driven the post colonial events are the Cold War, continued destructive foreign interference and the direct and indirect impact of Israel itself and its creation.
There is no reason to believe that Jewish Israelis can only secure their own future by perpetually dominating those around them, quite the reverse. The attempt to do so will continue to foster their alienation from the communities around them and from those in Europe and the US whose support for Israeli policy and practice of domination is withering and will inevitably at some point be exhausted. Israelis have yet to realize that the racism inherent in the existing arrangements is repellent to those of us on the outside and we will not support it in perpetuity.
What then?

Israelis have a right to live in peace and security, but it is the same as the right of others, it does not trump others&#039; rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Israel is located in the Middle East where these types of states have not been too successful</p></blockquote>
<p>The reasons for this are many and varied but they have nothing to do with an innate deficiency of the peoples of those states, Muslim or otherwise. The principle factors which have driven the post colonial events are the Cold War, continued destructive foreign interference and the direct and indirect impact of Israel itself and its creation.<br />
There is no reason to believe that Jewish Israelis can only secure their own future by perpetually dominating those around them, quite the reverse. The attempt to do so will continue to foster their alienation from the communities around them and from those in Europe and the US whose support for Israeli policy and practice of domination is withering and will inevitably at some point be exhausted. Israelis have yet to realize that the racism inherent in the existing arrangements is repellent to those of us on the outside and we will not support it in perpetuity.<br />
What then?</p>
<p>Israelis have a right to live in peace and security, but it is the same as the right of others, it does not trump others&#8217; rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You emphasize the Civil War; IMO the revolution that began in 1776 is more relevant. It hasn&#039;t ended.

The acceptance of ethnocentric gradations in citizenship is a denial of human equality.  Israel&#039;s declaration of itself, as Eurosabra holds, as a theocracy is a declaration that equal rights are not relevant in state affairs.  The ramifications include a denial of the goals and intentions of the US civil rights movement.  The noise my message represents to you arises from all the people who do support that movement; it is but a murmur now.

 In American, we live in states.  State&#039;s rights often are debated.  Most citizens of the US unconsciously relate to the rest of the world as if it is comprised of states.  Doing so results from and reinforces insularity, but I would argue that the same experience is shared by everyone, with flavoring from their culture and political system.

So I wonder why it is controversial for there to be  two states or one - either, whichever the people agree upon.  Why is this controversial?  It seems evident from history that if Israel continues to deny the equality of non-Jewish residents (the existence of) within Israel/Palestine, it will keep exploding.  Although harm in the past has come primarily from one actor, the backlash to it is creating a diverse population of groups in opposition, and we  who use the net can respond from among them to some purpose in speaking out.  

Since the danger of Israel exploding outward, against others, and causing harm in the process isn&#039;t potential -as so often the topic of Eurosabra&#039;s discussion is- but has been a continuous fact for a while now, I feel compelled to agitate for someone to do something to stop the killing. 

 Umm... do you agree? 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You emphasize the Civil War; IMO the revolution that began in 1776 is more relevant. It hasn&#8217;t ended.</p>
<p>The acceptance of ethnocentric gradations in citizenship is a denial of human equality.  Israel&#8217;s declaration of itself, as Eurosabra holds, as a theocracy is a declaration that equal rights are not relevant in state affairs.  The ramifications include a denial of the goals and intentions of the US civil rights movement.  The noise my message represents to you arises from all the people who do support that movement; it is but a murmur now.</p>
<p> In American, we live in states.  State&#8217;s rights often are debated.  Most citizens of the US unconsciously relate to the rest of the world as if it is comprised of states.  Doing so results from and reinforces insularity, but I would argue that the same experience is shared by everyone, with flavoring from their culture and political system.</p>
<p>So I wonder why it is controversial for there to be  two states or one &#8211; either, whichever the people agree upon.  Why is this controversial?  It seems evident from history that if Israel continues to deny the equality of non-Jewish residents (the existence of) within Israel/Palestine, it will keep exploding.  Although harm in the past has come primarily from one actor, the backlash to it is creating a diverse population of groups in opposition, and we  who use the net can respond from among them to some purpose in speaking out.  </p>
<p>Since the danger of Israel exploding outward, against others, and causing harm in the process isn&#8217;t potential -as so often the topic of Eurosabra&#8217;s discussion is- but has been a continuous fact for a while now, I feel compelled to agitate for someone to do something to stop the killing. </p>
<p> Umm&#8230; do you agree? </p>
<p>.</p>
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		<title>By: cy</title>
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		<dc:creator>cy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gene Schulman, you couldn&#039;t have expressed it with greater clarity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene Schulman, you couldn&#8217;t have expressed it with greater clarity.</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stand by my disagreement, Donald.  Adverse discrimination is institutionalized in Israel, as racism was institutionalized in the US.  People don&#039;t even realize the extent of their bigotry because it is considered the way things are supposed to be.  It&#039;s learned behavior and reinforced in hundreds of ways.

There is nothing inherent to either group of people that prevents greater social harmony. There is much inherent within the current State structure that buttresses and succors enmity among the peoples of the land.  Protect Palestine from Israel and IMO the result for Israel will be severe internal disruption, for a multitude of reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stand by my disagreement, Donald.  Adverse discrimination is institutionalized in Israel, as racism was institutionalized in the US.  People don&#8217;t even realize the extent of their bigotry because it is considered the way things are supposed to be.  It&#8217;s learned behavior and reinforced in hundreds of ways.</p>
<p>There is nothing inherent to either group of people that prevents greater social harmony. There is much inherent within the current State structure that buttresses and succors enmity among the peoples of the land.  Protect Palestine from Israel and IMO the result for Israel will be severe internal disruption, for a multitude of reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: bar_kochba132</title>
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		<dc:creator>bar_kochba132</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard-
I didn&#039;t mention Northern Ireland, Canada or Switzerland because the minority population Israel is dealing with is Muslim/Arab and Israel  is located in the Middle East where these types of states have not been too successful. Israel is not located in North America, Europe or the British Isles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard-<br />
I didn&#8217;t mention Northern Ireland, Canada or Switzerland because the minority population Israel is dealing with is Muslim/Arab and Israel  is located in the Middle East where these types of states have not been too successful. Israel is not located in North America, Europe or the British Isles.</p>
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		<title>By: On the Cardinality of States and Communities. &#8212; will to truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>On the Cardinality of States and Communities. &#8212; will to truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 23:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 23:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Israel exists right now as a country.  They would no more give up their country and become a minority in their own state than Americans would give up America.  There is no trend of Israelis Jews towards a &quot;one state&quot; solution, even among Israeli leftists.
The reality is Hamas is really no threat to Israel&#039;s survival and life in Israel is very good.  Israelis see very clearly how minorities like the Coptic Christians are treated in the Muslim world and want no part of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israel exists right now as a country.  They would no more give up their country and become a minority in their own state than Americans would give up America.  There is no trend of Israelis Jews towards a &#8220;one state&#8221; solution, even among Israeli leftists.<br />
The reality is Hamas is really no threat to Israel&#8217;s survival and life in Israel is very good.  Israelis see very clearly how minorities like the Coptic Christians are treated in the Muslim world and want no part of it.</p>
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		<title>By: gene schulman</title>
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		<dc:creator>gene schulman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is interesting to see the number of expressions favoring a one state solution.  A couple of years ago, such expressions would be unheard of, until writers like Ilan Pappe came along and pointed out the advantages. Prior to the establishment of the state of Israel, there were many who believed one state was the only fair way - Buber, Scholem, Einstein, et al.  Now, because of the Zionist errors of insisting on Eretz Israel, it is coming back into fashion.  May this trend continue, until it is accepted and accomplished.  It is the only way peace will ever come to the region for both peoples.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting to see the number of expressions favoring a one state solution.  A couple of years ago, such expressions would be unheard of, until writers like Ilan Pappe came along and pointed out the advantages. Prior to the establishment of the state of Israel, there were many who believed one state was the only fair way &#8211; Buber, Scholem, Einstein, et al.  Now, because of the Zionist errors of insisting on Eretz Israel, it is coming back into fashion.  May this trend continue, until it is accepted and accomplished.  It is the only way peace will ever come to the region for both peoples.</p>
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