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52 Responses to “IDF Soldiers Admit ‘Shoot to Kill’ Orders Against Gaza Civilians”

1. Margaret says:

   March 26, 2009 at 9:42 PM

   This is old, obviously, but I just came back to it, and have the following comments, because all of this is still pertinent:

   Ronit –
   Because what one sees in the printed news is the good, or at the worst -usually- the marginally good is, I think, part of the reason that statements on-line sometimes grow heated. Such a relief comes from finding a forum within which to express one’s repugnance.

   There are many comments on line from military personnel past and present decrying the activity of the IDF and denying the legitimacy of such actions.

   There is a lot on-line by US military personnel, a fair amount of it critical. You ignore, also, the trials for actions by US personnel deemed criminal. Some of them end in no judgment against the personnel but criticism of the military is rife in court testimony.

   I consider your argument about Israel being unique in allowing criticism of its actions to be specious; in addition to invalid, as the criticism doesn’t seem to result in consequences, and won’t as long as the military controls State policy.

   Israel has been on the offensive since the 1920′s, pre-state, days. It’s such a false premise to posit that Israel is always responding to attack. False: fail.

   Do not criticize the state: Obey!

   The only viable position is to hold Israel itself and its army accountable for its actions in Gaza. RS

   Speak truth to power.

   It is understandable, Ronit, that the Israeli are fearful. Yet, that fear is something that the SA’s overcame.

   Israel has been recognized as a nation/state in the UN; they have a most-favored nation status with the US, they receive unholy amounts of money from the US in military aide. What more is wanted?

   I’ve seen little evidence of a desire for a two-state solution, at the highest level one sees it not in any but oblique terms. What there is comes from highly reputable sources, but they claim themselves to be a minority, and question their ability to receive representation within the Israeli Knesset.

   Israel does NOT recognize a Palestinian state, it recognizes a “Palestinian Authority” which is not allowed the sovereignty of a full-state…I guess by those standards, Hamas DOES “recognize” Israel when it refers to it as an “entity”. Jafar

   Israel doesn’t recognize Hamas nor a Palestinian state. So Israel will be recognized when it is prepared to recognize its enemy. Not before.

   As for recognition, I don’t think you should expect Palestinians to “recognize” Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state–they’re not going to endorse their own expulsion.

   “What you can hope for is that they will resign themselves to it and settle for boundaries very close to the 67 borders, with mutually agreed upon changes.” Oh, Donald, I don’t want that if it ends with non-contiguous and scarce land for the Palestinians. I guess I need to go check the ’67 boundaries.

   IMO the rights of all faiths should be recognized equally, especially in Jerusalem.

   Those who don’t support a one-state solution because of a belief that enmity is natural among those different also, many of them, seem to be those who stand to gain from the segregation of the two-state solution, IMNSHO. There is recent history of peaceful cooperation. The trope that it’s been war, war, war for more than sixty years is laid out by those who want war, almost universally the Israeli (suddenly I’m just as happy to leave the s off the plural possessive form of the word.)

   Ronit: about racism. Read this, then go read the comments on Haaretz. http://academic.udayton.edu/race/01race/race02.htm The prosecution rests.

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2. tomer says:

   May 9, 2010 at 10:15 PM

   it is a pity that you do not translate the whole article and that the story is twisted a bit.
   gaza is a scary violante place.
   the strories are just a reflection of a cruel reality that only a peace aggremante can chagne.
   emphasising half of the story is not goone bring a solution.
   supporting common goasl mabey wiil
   all i see is hate,mabey if you are a turly peace lover try and foucs on both side evenly and positively

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