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	<title>Comments on: Why Jewish Peace Movement Got It Wrong on Freeman</title>
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		<title>By: Miles Stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miles Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 11:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Bolton sounds like a dinosaur. The meteor has landed John! And here the mindset of the man is revealed &quot;How will diplomatic pressure work to change Hamas or Hezbollah, where even military force has so far failed?&quot; Force is supposed to be the last resort, not the first. No wonder he so disliked the UN, an organisation whose very raison d&#039;être is the avoidance of conflict. I&#039;m so so glad the last eight nightmare years are over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Bolton sounds like a dinosaur. The meteor has landed John! And here the mindset of the man is revealed &#8220;How will diplomatic pressure work to change Hamas or Hezbollah, where even military force has so far failed?&#8221; Force is supposed to be the last resort, not the first. No wonder he so disliked the UN, an organisation whose very raison d&#8217;être is the avoidance of conflict. I&#8217;m so so glad the last eight nightmare years are over.</p>
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		<title>By: Miles Stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miles Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Surely that doesn’t make any sense&quot;.
It baffled me for a long time too, but there is an explaination.
Try looking at http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Surely that doesn’t make any sense&#8221;.<br />
It baffled me for a long time too, but there is an explaination.<br />
Try looking at <a href="http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Christa Schmidt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christa Schmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 05:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Freeman is right!I believe the only one selling out Israel is paranoid Israel.This is no way to make alies in the world.
It has been said that everything has two sides.
This American Government better let both sides being heard
People know better,not every one is convinsed by the controled media,and the faulse friends of Israel,that are on the path of selfdistruction</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freeman is right!I believe the only one selling out Israel is paranoid Israel.This is no way to make alies in the world.<br />
It has been said that everything has two sides.<br />
This American Government better let both sides being heard<br />
People know better,not every one is convinsed by the controled media,and the faulse friends of Israel,that are on the path of selfdistruction</p>
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		<title>By: epppie</title>
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		<dc:creator>epppie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 08:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What i find strange is the propensity for peacemongers to read victory into defeat.  I don&#039;t necessarily admire Freeman that much, but this was a big defeat for peace.  In order to move forward, we need to recognize that there&#039;s something we aren&#039;t doing right.  

The &#039;Israel Lobby&#039;&#039;s  has become imperial.  They barely conceal their bias and their influence now.  This COULD be their downfall, but so far, there&#039;s no sign of it.

Yes, what they are selling SHOULD be hard to sell.  So how is it that they sell it so well?  What can we do better?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What i find strange is the propensity for peacemongers to read victory into defeat.  I don&#8217;t necessarily admire Freeman that much, but this was a big defeat for peace.  In order to move forward, we need to recognize that there&#8217;s something we aren&#8217;t doing right.  </p>
<p>The &#8216;Israel Lobby&#8221;s  has become imperial.  They barely conceal their bias and their influence now.  This COULD be their downfall, but so far, there&#8217;s no sign of it.</p>
<p>Yes, what they are selling SHOULD be hard to sell.  So how is it that they sell it so well?  What can we do better?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Given Mr Freeman’s apparent defence of the behaviour of the Chinese leadership leading up to the Tiananmen protest&lt;/blockquote&gt;
So you&#039;re accepting the swill peddled to you by Steve Rosen and the neocon blog crowd though this was proven to be a total distortion of what Freeman&#039;s views are on the subject?

&lt;blockquote&gt;our “friends” the Saudis...the financial sponsors of the attacks in the United States&lt;/blockquote&gt;
So your claim is that the Saudi royal family financed 9/11?  Interesting.  Any proof?

&lt;blockquote&gt;his anti-Zionist views&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Since when does criticism of Israeli policies &amp; the Occupation make one anti-Zionist.  Seems to me yr definition of &quot;anti-Zionism&quot; is a bit skewed.

&lt;blockquote&gt;[Arab states] did not want anyone living in their countries who had formerly lived in Israel?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Gee, you mean you object to the fact that Arab nations didn&#039;t want to accept 700,000 expelled Israeli citizens and felt it should be the responsibility of their native nation which expelled them?  The nerve of those ungrateful Arabs!  DOn&#039;t they understand their role is to solve Israel&#039;s nasty little problems?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Given Mr Freeman’s apparent defence of the behaviour of the Chinese leadership leading up to the Tiananmen protest</p></blockquote>
<p>So you&#8217;re accepting the swill peddled to you by Steve Rosen and the neocon blog crowd though this was proven to be a total distortion of what Freeman&#8217;s views are on the subject?</p>
<blockquote><p>our “friends” the Saudis&#8230;the financial sponsors of the attacks in the United States</p></blockquote>
<p>So your claim is that the Saudi royal family financed 9/11?  Interesting.  Any proof?</p>
<blockquote><p>his anti-Zionist views</p></blockquote>
<p>Since when does criticism of Israeli policies &#038; the Occupation make one anti-Zionist.  Seems to me yr definition of &#8220;anti-Zionism&#8221; is a bit skewed.</p>
<blockquote><p>[Arab states] did not want anyone living in their countries who had formerly lived in Israel?</p></blockquote>
<p>Gee, you mean you object to the fact that Arab nations didn&#8217;t want to accept 700,000 expelled Israeli citizens and felt it should be the responsibility of their native nation which expelled them?  The nerve of those ungrateful Arabs!  DOn&#8217;t they understand their role is to solve Israel&#8217;s nasty little problems?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M.J.: From your mouth to God&#039;s ears!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M.J.: From your mouth to God&#8217;s ears!</p>
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		<title>By: kylebisme</title>
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		<dc:creator>kylebisme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 06:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That seems an uncharacteristically nasty &amp; snarky comment. I realize you were playing off the ludicrous comment fr. Bolton that Obama is about the sell out Israel. But the entire meme makes me uncomfortable.&quot;

Richard, please reconsider Crimson&#039;s comment in the contest of Bolton&#039;s conception of &quot;selling out Israel&quot; which he presented it in, rather than the tribalistic reactionary sense you have apparently taken it. We are all in this together here, and the two-state solution Bolton decries is the pragmatic resolution to this conflict which is best for all of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That seems an uncharacteristically nasty &amp; snarky comment. I realize you were playing off the ludicrous comment fr. Bolton that Obama is about the sell out Israel. But the entire meme makes me uncomfortable.&#8221;</p>
<p>Richard, please reconsider Crimson&#8217;s comment in the contest of Bolton&#8217;s conception of &#8220;selling out Israel&#8221; which he presented it in, rather than the tribalistic reactionary sense you have apparently taken it. We are all in this together here, and the two-state solution Bolton decries is the pragmatic resolution to this conflict which is best for all of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 04:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;those with an angry cross to bear.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I never knew crosses could be &quot;angry.&quot;  At any rate I don&#039;t buy what you&#039;re peddling about my being especially angry or anger being a liability for a peace activist.

I have no idea what you&#039;re referring to by acusing me of using a &quot;litmus test.&quot;

My criticism of J Street is NOTHING like that of Rosen.  In fact, I&#039;ve specifically &amp; often condemned here smears against J Street.  My criticisms of J Street related to specific positions they take or do not take, not to their overall existence.  And I don&#039;t only attack J Street.  I took on Brit Tzedek as well in this post.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I requested perhaps thirty times on different blogs, some reference to actual support of Freeman, and NEVER got a single reference.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
OK, now you&#039;re not only annoying me you&#039;re lying.  I SPECIFICALLY told you of one letter written by retired CIA officers and one written by retired State Dept personnel which voiced support of Freeman for his foreign policy &amp; intelligence expertise.  You know I pointed this out to you.  You know it exists.  Richard, you&#039;re right at the tipping pt. w. me.  This is exactly what I &amp; other readers here find most annoying about yr participation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>those with an angry cross to bear.</p></blockquote>
<p>I never knew crosses could be &#8220;angry.&#8221;  At any rate I don&#8217;t buy what you&#8217;re peddling about my being especially angry or anger being a liability for a peace activist.</p>
<p>I have no idea what you&#8217;re referring to by acusing me of using a &#8220;litmus test.&#8221;</p>
<p>My criticism of J Street is NOTHING like that of Rosen.  In fact, I&#8217;ve specifically &amp; often condemned here smears against J Street.  My criticisms of J Street related to specific positions they take or do not take, not to their overall existence.  And I don&#8217;t only attack J Street.  I took on Brit Tzedek as well in this post.</p>
<blockquote><p>I requested perhaps thirty times on different blogs, some reference to actual support of Freeman, and NEVER got a single reference.</p></blockquote>
<p>OK, now you&#8217;re not only annoying me you&#8217;re lying.  I SPECIFICALLY told you of one letter written by retired CIA officers and one written by retired State Dept personnel which voiced support of Freeman for his foreign policy &amp; intelligence expertise.  You know I pointed this out to you.  You know it exists.  Richard, you&#8217;re right at the tipping pt. w. me.  This is exactly what I &amp; other readers here find most annoying about yr participation.</p>
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