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	<title>Comments on: Israel Pays $2.2 Million to Slain British Filmmaker&#8217;s Family</title>
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		<title>By: fiddler</title>
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		<dc:creator>fiddler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 18:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not quite befitting a poodle either is this:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Britain&#039;s security minister, Lord West, just dropped a bombshell by declaring his nation&#039;s military intervention in Iraq and Afghanistan had fuelled global radicalism against Britain and the U.S.

West described as &quot;bollocks&quot; former PM Tony Blair&#039;s claims the so-called &quot;war on terror&quot; had nothing to do with growing Islamic radicalism. This comes soon after Britain&#039;s foreign secretary, David Miliband, called the term &quot;war on terror,&quot; deceptive and damaging.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
http://www.torontosun.com/comment/columnists/eric_margolis/2009/02/01/8221436-sun.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not quite befitting a poodle either is this:</p>
<blockquote><p>Britain&#8217;s security minister, Lord West, just dropped a bombshell by declaring his nation&#8217;s military intervention in Iraq and Afghanistan had fuelled global radicalism against Britain and the U.S.</p>
<p>West described as &#8220;bollocks&#8221; former PM Tony Blair&#8217;s claims the so-called &#8220;war on terror&#8221; had nothing to do with growing Islamic radicalism. This comes soon after Britain&#8217;s foreign secretary, David Miliband, called the term &#8220;war on terror,&#8221; deceptive and damaging.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.torontosun.com/comment/columnists/eric_margolis/2009/02/01/8221436-sun.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.torontosun.com/comment/columnists/eric_margolis/2009/02/01/8221436-sun.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lazynative</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lazynative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, I didn&#039;t know of the rise in the Muslim population post 2001.

Yes, perhaps issues such as Palestine are rising in importance for the younger Muslim generation. But most Muslims in the UK are from Pakistan and that too from certain parts of  Pakistan such as Mirpur district. Many come from rural backgrounds and their concerns from my experience revolve more around events in South Asia rather than the Middle East. Although they feel a solidarity with Palestinians as Muslims; it has been more recent globalised issues that have politicised them - the war in Iraq has been far more powerful in radicalising the Muslim population than Palestine or Israeli actions have been as British intelligence agencies have noted.


On the &#039;lobby&#039; and its existence I am sceptical as to how powerful it actually is a force. True British foreign policy did support Zionism but this was for other reasons as well and British policy certainly also had a strong pro-Arabist element to it as well from the 1920s onwards. Key parts of the British state such as the Foreign Office were and remain to this day quite antagonistic towards Zionism. One of the checks has been the fact that most of the British statesmen like Balfour and Churchill who supported Zionism were bascially anti-Semites themselves and disliked Jews as a community in Europe  - they were very keen for them to be shipped off to far-off places like Palestine where they wouldn&#039;t cause any trouble in the homeland.

America is slightly different but again the so-called lobby was very weak and unable to influence American policy when Israel was really vulnerable as in the 1950s and early 60s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, I didn&#8217;t know of the rise in the Muslim population post 2001.</p>
<p>Yes, perhaps issues such as Palestine are rising in importance for the younger Muslim generation. But most Muslims in the UK are from Pakistan and that too from certain parts of  Pakistan such as Mirpur district. Many come from rural backgrounds and their concerns from my experience revolve more around events in South Asia rather than the Middle East. Although they feel a solidarity with Palestinians as Muslims; it has been more recent globalised issues that have politicised them &#8211; the war in Iraq has been far more powerful in radicalising the Muslim population than Palestine or Israeli actions have been as British intelligence agencies have noted.</p>
<p>On the &#8216;lobby&#8217; and its existence I am sceptical as to how powerful it actually is a force. True British foreign policy did support Zionism but this was for other reasons as well and British policy certainly also had a strong pro-Arabist element to it as well from the 1920s onwards. Key parts of the British state such as the Foreign Office were and remain to this day quite antagonistic towards Zionism. One of the checks has been the fact that most of the British statesmen like Balfour and Churchill who supported Zionism were bascially anti-Semites themselves and disliked Jews as a community in Europe  &#8211; they were very keen for them to be shipped off to far-off places like Palestine where they wouldn&#8217;t cause any trouble in the homeland.</p>
<p>America is slightly different but again the so-called lobby was very weak and unable to influence American policy when Israel was really vulnerable as in the 1950s and early 60s.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, the killer of &lt;a&gt;Iman Al Hamas&lt;/a&gt; was also not Jewish (a Druze) and still manged to escape unscathed. So, while I agree that sentencing could have be more lenient in the case of a Jew,  I also think that to some extent Israel might be trying hard to vindicate non-Jewish soldiers so as not to appear to scapegoat them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, the killer of <a>Iman Al Hamas</a> was also not Jewish (a Druze) and still manged to escape unscathed. So, while I agree that sentencing could have be more lenient in the case of a Jew,  I also think that to some extent Israel might be trying hard to vindicate non-Jewish soldiers so as not to appear to scapegoat them.</p>
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		<title>By: Joachim Martillo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joachim Martillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 01:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, I meant &quot;with the idea of the conviction of a non-Jew for killing non-Jews.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, I meant &#8220;with the idea of the conviction of a non-Jew for killing non-Jews.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Miriam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miriam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 00:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet as we approach the SIXTH anniversary of the murder of Rachel Corrie.in Rafah Gaza, her parents have not yet to been able to get a congressional investigation of her death.   Rest in peace, Rachel (March 20 2003).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet as we approach the SIXTH anniversary of the murder of Rachel Corrie.in Rafah Gaza, her parents have not yet to been able to get a congressional investigation of her death.   Rest in peace, Rachel (March 20 2003).</p>
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		<title>By: Joachim Martillo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joachim Martillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 19:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I misread the statistics. The TimesOnLine puts the Muslim population at 2.4 million, which is much larger than the Jewish population (&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7411877.stm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;280,000 according to the BBC&lt;/a&gt;), and claims &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article5621482.ece&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Muslim population &#039;rising 10 times faster than rest of society&#039;&lt;/a&gt;.

You are probably underestimating the identification of Ango-Pakistani identification with Palestinians as well as the increasing political nationalist pan-Islamic consciousness among British Muslims and the world Muslim population in general.

While British Zionists have not had the vast public organizational structure of the American Israel Lobby, the wealthiest British Zionists (Zionist political economic oligarchs) have managed at critical periods to exert tremendous influence over the British government. See &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eaazi.org/ThorsProvoni/JudoniaComplete/JudoniaCompleteA.htm#_Toc199522938&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Judonia, Balfour Declaration and Afterward&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I misread the statistics. The TimesOnLine puts the Muslim population at 2.4 million, which is much larger than the Jewish population (<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7411877.stm" rel="nofollow">280,000 according to the BBC</a>), and claims <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article5621482.ece" rel="nofollow">Muslim population &#8216;rising 10 times faster than rest of society&#8217;</a>.</p>
<p>You are probably underestimating the identification of Ango-Pakistani identification with Palestinians as well as the increasing political nationalist pan-Islamic consciousness among British Muslims and the world Muslim population in general.</p>
<p>While British Zionists have not had the vast public organizational structure of the American Israel Lobby, the wealthiest British Zionists (Zionist political economic oligarchs) have managed at critical periods to exert tremendous influence over the British government. See <a href="http://www.eaazi.org/ThorsProvoni/JudoniaComplete/JudoniaCompleteA.htm#_Toc199522938" rel="nofollow">Judonia, Balfour Declaration and Afterward</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Lazynative</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lazynative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 18:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a fair point about Hurndall&#039;s killer; he probably wouldn&#039;t not have received as harsh treatment if he was Jewish.

I don&#039;t agree though, that the presence of a &#039;lobby&#039; has any real impact on British foreign policy, unless it is a corporate or economic one. There are also barely 2 million (if that) Muslims in Britain according to the 2001 census, so your figure of 6 million Pakistani-Brits is wide of the mark. I doubt for many Hurndall&#039;s case would have been very prominent, since Kashmir is more of a concern for this group than Palestine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a fair point about Hurndall&#8217;s killer; he probably wouldn&#8217;t not have received as harsh treatment if he was Jewish.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree though, that the presence of a &#8216;lobby&#8217; has any real impact on British foreign policy, unless it is a corporate or economic one. There are also barely 2 million (if that) Muslims in Britain according to the 2001 census, so your figure of 6 million Pakistani-Brits is wide of the mark. I doubt for many Hurndall&#8217;s case would have been very prominent, since Kashmir is more of a concern for this group than Palestine.</p>
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		<title>By: Lazynative</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lazynative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 18:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me the differences between Brown and Blair are greatly exaggerated; they are both architects of the New LAbour project which by itself cannot mean any serious attempt top implement a genuinely ethical foreign policy. Brown is as pro-US as Blair is/was and can&#039;t be counted on to seriously act as a moderating influence.

There are some exceptions such as Brown&#039;s attitude towards Africa and his views on debt relief. In all though, the govt will be quite Blairite on most key questions, imo anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me the differences between Brown and Blair are greatly exaggerated; they are both architects of the New LAbour project which by itself cannot mean any serious attempt top implement a genuinely ethical foreign policy. Brown is as pro-US as Blair is/was and can&#8217;t be counted on to seriously act as a moderating influence.</p>
<p>There are some exceptions such as Brown&#8217;s attitude towards Africa and his views on debt relief. In all though, the govt will be quite Blairite on most key questions, imo anyway.</p>
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