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	<title>Comments on: Israeli TV Airs Agony of Gazan Doctor Moments After 3 Daughters, Brother, 3 Nieces Killed by IDF Shell</title>
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		<title>By: Rosa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 10:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Words are inadequate.  Absolutely heartbreaking.

May they rest in peace, away from this cruel world.

Shalom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Words are inadequate.  Absolutely heartbreaking.</p>
<p>May they rest in peace, away from this cruel world.</p>
<p>Shalom.</p>
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		<title>By: llMark</title>
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		<dc:creator>llMark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the comparison of Israeli(and the US for that matter) government policies with the Nazis is not inaccurate, simply premature? Guess we&#039;ll just have to wait and see if they can catch up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the comparison of Israeli(and the US for that matter) government policies with the Nazis is not inaccurate, simply premature? Guess we&#8217;ll just have to wait and see if they can catch up.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 01:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The comparison between Israeli policy and The Third Reich is fallacious, intellectually lazy and historically inaccurate.  Inherent in Nazi philosophy was the ingathering of Jews and other &quot;inferior races&quot; from every corner of Europe (at the outset) finally resulting in the ingathering of Jews from every corner of the globe to be exterminated so that a master race could rule the world.  I repeat, an ingathering.  Do I really need to go into detail demonstrating the difference?

The policies of the State of Israel are morally indefensible, odious and quite possibly are worthy of war crimes.  But to compare the IDF to Nazis and Israel to The Third Reich is to dishonor the memory and suffering of the twelve million who perished in the holocaust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comparison between Israeli policy and The Third Reich is fallacious, intellectually lazy and historically inaccurate.  Inherent in Nazi philosophy was the ingathering of Jews and other &#8220;inferior races&#8221; from every corner of Europe (at the outset) finally resulting in the ingathering of Jews from every corner of the globe to be exterminated so that a master race could rule the world.  I repeat, an ingathering.  Do I really need to go into detail demonstrating the difference?</p>
<p>The policies of the State of Israel are morally indefensible, odious and quite possibly are worthy of war crimes.  But to compare the IDF to Nazis and Israel to The Third Reich is to dishonor the memory and suffering of the twelve million who perished in the holocaust.</p>
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		<title>By: LD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard, I did not mean LITERALLY that Israel = Nazis.

The impression is enough.

Zionism is just another form of radical nationalism. Israel is not a Democratic state. Jews receive preferrential treatment because they are Jews.

There is PLENTY of discrimination against Arabs. Plenty of racism.

And the brutality and indiscriminate force the Zionists inflict upon the Palestinians - whose land and resources they steal - is rooted in Jewish racism and Jewish supremacy, ALL a part of the Zionist ideology.

Israel may not kill 6 million people all at once, in an assembly-line slaughter - BUT not many other people will.

The Nazis were uniquely insane. You had this Western country that was modern/technocratic for that time/etc. It was secular/etc. and here they were carrying out the most barbaric atrocities. 

It was a marvel of collective insanity, emphasized by the factors I listed : the secular society/modern/Western/etc.

Israel is also secular and modern. Western. Yet, the citizens applauded this massacre. They openly discriminate against Arabs. 

In fact, in ways, Israel is worse than the Nazis. This conflict has been going on for 60 years. 40 years of occupation.

Israel is status quo. Much like the US is status quo. So both of them can get away with murder again and again.

How many millions has the US killed? They may not have done it all at once but they&#039;ve certainly amassed all those deaths over time with the SAME basic foreign policy and elite mentality.

That&#039;s my point. Those variables are all there in the present-day in Israel. 

The only difference between the Nazis and the Zionists is that outright genocide is no longer fashionable for a Western country. That&#039;s for the 3rd world. We&#039;ll have no part in that since we&#039;re &#039;above&#039; that now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, I did not mean LITERALLY that Israel = Nazis.</p>
<p>The impression is enough.</p>
<p>Zionism is just another form of radical nationalism. Israel is not a Democratic state. Jews receive preferrential treatment because they are Jews.</p>
<p>There is PLENTY of discrimination against Arabs. Plenty of racism.</p>
<p>And the brutality and indiscriminate force the Zionists inflict upon the Palestinians &#8211; whose land and resources they steal &#8211; is rooted in Jewish racism and Jewish supremacy, ALL a part of the Zionist ideology.</p>
<p>Israel may not kill 6 million people all at once, in an assembly-line slaughter &#8211; BUT not many other people will.</p>
<p>The Nazis were uniquely insane. You had this Western country that was modern/technocratic for that time/etc. It was secular/etc. and here they were carrying out the most barbaric atrocities. </p>
<p>It was a marvel of collective insanity, emphasized by the factors I listed : the secular society/modern/Western/etc.</p>
<p>Israel is also secular and modern. Western. Yet, the citizens applauded this massacre. They openly discriminate against Arabs. </p>
<p>In fact, in ways, Israel is worse than the Nazis. This conflict has been going on for 60 years. 40 years of occupation.</p>
<p>Israel is status quo. Much like the US is status quo. So both of them can get away with murder again and again.</p>
<p>How many millions has the US killed? They may not have done it all at once but they&#8217;ve certainly amassed all those deaths over time with the SAME basic foreign policy and elite mentality.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my point. Those variables are all there in the present-day in Israel. </p>
<p>The only difference between the Nazis and the Zionists is that outright genocide is no longer fashionable for a Western country. That&#8217;s for the 3rd world. We&#8217;ll have no part in that since we&#8217;re &#8216;above&#8217; that now.</p>
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		<title>By: Miles Stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miles Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 01:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with the comments criticising the appropriateness of comparisons with Nazism. Nobody is suggesting that the Israel’s actions are the same in scope or scale, but in countless other respects they resemble it. The pervasive discrimination against and dehumanisation of the other, assassination and denial of fair trial, arbitrary arrest, detention and torture, widespread use of collective punishment, the use of terror as an instrument of control, etc, etc, etc. Also striking is the use of propaganda, distortion and outright lies to defend the States actions. In one important respect it is different; any (Jewish) Israeli can criticise and actively oppose the state without fear of the state’s excessive retaliation.
There is a very good reason for avoiding the obvious comparisons, it offers your opponents a cheap shot, and you end up defending the comparison rather than discussing substantive issues. Comparisons may be appropriate, but they are always unwise. For that reason alone I desist, and would recommend others to do likewise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with the comments criticising the appropriateness of comparisons with Nazism. Nobody is suggesting that the Israel’s actions are the same in scope or scale, but in countless other respects they resemble it. The pervasive discrimination against and dehumanisation of the other, assassination and denial of fair trial, arbitrary arrest, detention and torture, widespread use of collective punishment, the use of terror as an instrument of control, etc, etc, etc. Also striking is the use of propaganda, distortion and outright lies to defend the States actions. In one important respect it is different; any (Jewish) Israeli can criticise and actively oppose the state without fear of the state’s excessive retaliation.<br />
There is a very good reason for avoiding the obvious comparisons, it offers your opponents a cheap shot, and you end up defending the comparison rather than discussing substantive issues. Comparisons may be appropriate, but they are always unwise. For that reason alone I desist, and would recommend others to do likewise.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul -- Chicago</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul -- Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 00:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just as I was ashamed of this country when the majority of its citizens elected George Bush, especially for the second time; just as I was ashamed to be called an American when this country abdicated its prinicpals of due process and justice;  just as I was ashamed to be called an American when America tortured and occupied and waged an unjust war, I am ashamed to called a Jew if Jewishness is defined by the morally repugnant policies of The State of Israel.
 
I am ashamed to be allied with Israel if Israel does not realize it cannot declare war on Hamas without clearly declaring war on a densley populated civlilian area.  I am ashamed to be allied with Israel when Israel is engaged in covert ethnic cleansing.  Hyperbole?  No.  Prior to this invasion, Gaza --for the past eighteen months -- has been a humanitarian catastophre with flowing sewage in the streets, lack of medical supplies and starvation.
 
I am ashamed to be called a Jew aligned with Israel when the Israeli government, much like the American government the past eight years, lies and distorts facts to serve their purposes.  Israel states Hamas fired rockets and broke the ceasefire.  Hamas is a terrorist organization and should be condemned and should be dealt with.  However, what Israel does not say is that according to Israeli news sources, Israel was planning attacks prior to the Hamas rocket attacks and I believe did begin to bomb a tunnel supplying materiel.  Perhaps a just response; but don&#039;t lie and say that Hamas broke the cease fire.
 
More close to home, I am also ashamed of mainstream Judaism if they remain silent, if Reform, Conservative and Orthodox rabbis do not overtly, loudly and forcefully condemn Israeli policy.  So far, the only outcry I am aware of coming from the local Jewish community in Chicago is a letter from the rabbi of JRC which was published in the Sun-Times.  If there are more voices of strong dissent, please make me aware of it.
 
Finally, and the bottom line, is that I am ashamed, sickened and disgusted when -- despite the deplorable tactics of Hamas -- the Israeli IDF kills and maims over 1,000 innocent Palestinian women and children in response to rocket attacks that have injured less than 100 Israelis and killed several solders.  Yes, a human life is a human life and it is dangerous when we get into a numbers game; however, one cannot ignore the gross disproportionate response by the Israelis.
 
Thank God for Avenue J, Tikun Olam, The Magnus Zionist and other honest, compassionate voices.  Thank God for the more than 500 Israelis that demonstrated in opposition to government policy.  Thank God for deeply religious, Orthodox, Zionist Jews that speak out against these (quite possibly) war crimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just as I was ashamed of this country when the majority of its citizens elected George Bush, especially for the second time; just as I was ashamed to be called an American when this country abdicated its prinicpals of due process and justice;  just as I was ashamed to be called an American when America tortured and occupied and waged an unjust war, I am ashamed to called a Jew if Jewishness is defined by the morally repugnant policies of The State of Israel.</p>
<p>I am ashamed to be allied with Israel if Israel does not realize it cannot declare war on Hamas without clearly declaring war on a densley populated civlilian area.  I am ashamed to be allied with Israel when Israel is engaged in covert ethnic cleansing.  Hyperbole?  No.  Prior to this invasion, Gaza &#8211;for the past eighteen months &#8212; has been a humanitarian catastophre with flowing sewage in the streets, lack of medical supplies and starvation.</p>
<p>I am ashamed to be called a Jew aligned with Israel when the Israeli government, much like the American government the past eight years, lies and distorts facts to serve their purposes.  Israel states Hamas fired rockets and broke the ceasefire.  Hamas is a terrorist organization and should be condemned and should be dealt with.  However, what Israel does not say is that according to Israeli news sources, Israel was planning attacks prior to the Hamas rocket attacks and I believe did begin to bomb a tunnel supplying materiel.  Perhaps a just response; but don&#8217;t lie and say that Hamas broke the cease fire.</p>
<p>More close to home, I am also ashamed of mainstream Judaism if they remain silent, if Reform, Conservative and Orthodox rabbis do not overtly, loudly and forcefully condemn Israeli policy.  So far, the only outcry I am aware of coming from the local Jewish community in Chicago is a letter from the rabbi of JRC which was published in the Sun-Times.  If there are more voices of strong dissent, please make me aware of it.</p>
<p>Finally, and the bottom line, is that I am ashamed, sickened and disgusted when &#8212; despite the deplorable tactics of Hamas &#8212; the Israeli IDF kills and maims over 1,000 innocent Palestinian women and children in response to rocket attacks that have injured less than 100 Israelis and killed several solders.  Yes, a human life is a human life and it is dangerous when we get into a numbers game; however, one cannot ignore the gross disproportionate response by the Israelis.</p>
<p>Thank God for Avenue J, Tikun Olam, The Magnus Zionist and other honest, compassionate voices.  Thank God for the more than 500 Israelis that demonstrated in opposition to government policy.  Thank God for deeply religious, Orthodox, Zionist Jews that speak out against these (quite possibly) war crimes.</p>
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		<title>By: rykart</title>
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		<dc:creator>rykart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 23:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Palestinian doctor extends his hand in compassion and reconciliation. The Israeli response is completely predictable. They murder his family.

The notion of the Israelis living peacefully alongside anyone, much less the Palestinians, has become thoroughly absurd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Palestinian doctor extends his hand in compassion and reconciliation. The Israeli response is completely predictable. They murder his family.</p>
<p>The notion of the Israelis living peacefully alongside anyone, much less the Palestinians, has become thoroughly absurd.</p>
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		<title>By: richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>btw...the image on this site of David Grossman, that repulsive cheerleader for the Gaza extermination campaign, strikes me as incongruous, to say the least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw&#8230;the image on this site of David Grossman, that repulsive cheerleader for the Gaza extermination campaign, strikes me as incongruous, to say the least.</p>
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