Comments on: Gaza: Foreign Ministry Media Manipulation

By: mein-parteibuch.com » Israel ermordet eigene Soldaten zur Vermeidung von Gefangennahme

Mon, 12 Jan 2009 21:27:48 +0000

[...] gemein macht, muss wie der Berliner Chef der Linken, Klaus Lederer, damit rechnen, genauso am öffentlichen Pranger zu landen wie die Mörderbande [...]

By: djinnii

djinnii — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:06:23 +0000

Al Jazeera has been reporting on this http://www.joost.com/376jmqe/t/Al-Jazeera

By: Israel im Propagandakrieg | BALTISCHE RUNDSCHAU

Israel im Propagandakrieg | BALTISCHE RUNDSCHAU — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 06:45:58 +0000

[...] die man als Copy&Paste-Beiträge in den Kommentarbereichen beliebter Medien teilweise 1:1 wieder findet. Auch private pro-israelische Gruppen beteiligen sich am Cyberkrieg – so läuft das Programm der [...]

By: marzipan

marzipan — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 07:31:16 +0000

Miles:

I sincerely hope so.

By: Miles Stuart

Miles Stuart — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 07:20:32 +0000

@marzipan
The propaganda doesn’t win. It has a short term benefit, but a much larger long term cost. An old friend of mine is a born again Christian who has supported Israel precisely because of this misbelief. She certainly doesn’t believe Israel ‘defends’ Christians or Christianity now, and of course the realization helpfully challenges other assumptions.

By: Miles Stuart

Miles Stuart — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 07:03:37 +0000

“UNWRA notes that video the IDF disseminated yesterday seeking to verify the army’s claim was actually shot in 2007″.
See what I mean? They harder the propaganda push, they worse it gets.

By: marzipan

marzipan — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 06:59:10 +0000

The christian community in Palestine has been a constant stick used by the cyberwarriors of Israel to beat at anyone who doesn’t concur 100% with their attitudes (That and the antisemitic card)… But the basic logic of it is lost in the propaganda… Does the occupation differentiate a Palestinian Muslim from a Christian one? With all the protests (constant vigils to Jerusalem by Christian Palestinians not afforded the luxury of celebrating christmas there) and reports Christian Palestinians have given to Btselem (of their being abused at check points and such), one has to wonder how the propaganda wins.

By: Miles Stuart

Miles Stuart — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 06:49:33 +0000

I think this kind of material has some effect in the US, I suspect it has virtually none in Europe, except possibly in the new members like the Czeck Republic (which unfortunately, in this context, has just taken the rotating presidency).
Its main effect in the short term is to shore up soft (uninformed) support, at the long term cost of being exposed as mendacious, and weakening support permanently. It reinforces the views of those whose support for Israeli policy is sectarian or misguided. In the case of sectarians the net effect is zero. In the case of those whose support is misguided the effect in the long term is even more destructive than it is on soft supporters. It is one thing to have been deceived about a cause in which one has little interest. It is quite another to have been deceived into supporting a bully. Even Tony Blair publicly expressed shock at the conditions he found on becoming the Quartet’s envoy. I suspect he is driven now by a wish to do what is politically possible in the short term rather than by any expectation of achieving a lasting settlement. We hear very little talk now of Palestinian (or Arab) ‘democracy’ and a great deal about ‘moderation’. This is the kind inconstancy that eats away at the soul of the speaker and listener alike.
Israel has been consistently losing grassroots supporters in the outside world for decades. Admittedly the loss has been slow, but it has been relentless. There is virtually NO traffic in the opposite direction. The situation for Israel is catastrophic, similar to what happened to the Apartheid regime in South Africa. It’s support is ebbing away at an ever accelerating rate. We will one day wake up and find it has, quite suddenly, all but vanished. It is in the nature of things that such a tipping point is hard to identify in advance. Israeli officials and supporters are clearly very worried, and working hard to reverse the trend, but they have no winning strategy. The best they can do is nothing, but in the face of such a palpable loss of support they feel they must act. In trying to stem the tide they are inevitably inviting the closer scrutiny which is going to accelerate the lose of support.
As an example, there is a huge amount of apologistic material challenging the France 2 account of the Al Dura case. Having waded through a lot of it I am dubious about the precision of the account. In doing this I have had to study extensive of film of enraged youths attacking the kind of watchtower one might see overlooking a prison, a genuinely terrified child (repeatedly), and random bystanders being shot. The ‘myth’ is undoubtedly undermined, but at the cost of exposing reality. The same is true of countless other cases.

On a completely different tack, the 2nd Video of the JIDF site contains a comment about supporting Christians in Israel/Palestine. I think it is occasionally worth pointing out that the net effect of Israeli policies is the gradual extinction of Palestine’s historic Christian communities which represent a continuous thread from the time when Christians were a Jewish sect rather than a distinct religion. I am not sure, but I believe the same is true of Palestine’s historic Jewish communities?