Comments on: Radical Settler Rabbi Bribes IDF Soldiers to Disobey Orders

By: Pinchas

Pinchas — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 01:00:26 +0000

Sometimes killing does save lives on both sides! Do you remember a couple of cities bombed named Hiroshima and Nagasaki?!? Many thousands of innocents were killed, but when all is said and done lives WERE saved on BOTH sides because it forced the Japanese to end the war.
Do you remember a little incident called the Nuremburg trials where nazi soldiers proclaimed THEIR innocence because THEY were "just following orders". Was THAT a valid excuse for their atrocities?!? So, if an Israeli soldier refuses to follow orders that go against the Torah, and will harm the Jewish people whom he is SUPPOSED to be defending (or if a Rabbi encourages him to do so!) that is something to be commended!!!

By: richards1052

richards1052 — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:01:48 +0000

Actually the number of killed in Hiroshima & Nagasaki wasn't "many thousands" it was 500,000 in one city alone. The dropping of the atom bomb was not justified, period just as the murder of Mahmoud al Mabouh was not justified as his death will actually increase the number of dead on both sides–not lower it.

Was it a valid excuse for Doron Almog & Dan Halutz to deliberately levelling a building they knew held Palestinian civilians including children in order to kill a single Palestinian militant?

The Torah doesn't order an IDF soldier to do or not do anything. His right wing nationalist political views lead him to refuse such orders. Nice try.

By: Ariel

Ariel — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 10:18:52 +0000

B”H
What he said that these leaders are guilty of treason and should be judged according to the laws of Israel by the israeli court and hung on the gallows according to the Israeli law (and he added that noone should G-d forbidf take law into his own hands) is no different than various groups calling to impeach Bush or cheney and have them tried and convicted of war crimes or the like.
It is sad that an intelligent person like you is so blinded by his prejuidices that he can’t rationally analyze what the man said moreover R. Wolpe has been saying stuff like this for many years and always gets away with it as he is a smart man and makes sure to stay within the letter of the Israeli law while generating publicity for his ideas by having people like yourself provide him with millions of dollars of free advertising.
Don’t you feel like a sucker for doing so?:-)
R. Wolpe’s antics remind me of the ones of the mentor of the your lord and savior the Messiah Obama
Saul David Alinsky
http://www.uubedford.org/sermons/19950226.htm

By: Richard Silverstein

Richard Silverstein — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:50:52 +0000

@Ariel: Where I come from calling for the nation’s leader to be hung on the gallows is high treason. The only people who do that in the States are white supremacists & the like. I guess that means there are certain similarities bet. the good rabbi & U.S. neo-Nazis.

By: Ariel

Ariel — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:39:05 +0000

B”H
Calling for the assassination of government officials is tantamount to high treason in the USA and practically anywhere else.
rav Wolpo did no such thing watch what he said in his own words in plain English:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRzxsoAUVR0

By: John Wilmerding

John Wilmerding — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:21:51 +0000

For validity, the issue, legally, must examine the government’s policies which have encouraged Israeli settlements in territories historically Palestinian. Questions of de jure and de facto must be taken into account. Is there an unwritten agenda to encourage Israeli settlements in the captured lands?

Israeli-American organizations are actually raising funds to permit and encourage the settlements in Hebron and elsewhere — “charitable” funds — so this is an issue with international implications.

Calling for the assassination of government officials is tantamount to high treason in the USA and practically anywhere else. This case ought to be a lesson to those who would stoop to such — dare I say non-Jewish — depths of depravity. Still I would urge the Israeli government — and indeed all governments and peoples everywhere — to be lenient and understanding with those who have been misled into settling illegally anywhere.

There is a huge class-action case here — I am sure lawyers are looking at how to bring it to realization. The case would state that ‘de facto’, Jews for a few generations now have been induced to settle on others’ private property. The case would be tried against the Israeli government and others who seek to perpetuate this immoral and illegal formula for Jewish disgrace and destruction. The existence and well-being of Israel is indeed at stake, but not in the way the most radical settler rabbis would have you believe.

Richard Silverstein is to be commended on a balanced presentation here.

By: Richard Silverstein

Richard Silverstein — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:17:15 +0000

@Ariel: The signature on the deed is forged. Period. The Supreme Court confirmed this judgment. You can bring all the video & hocus pocus you wish to justify your naked oppression of the Palestinian inhabitants of the West Bank. But Israel’s judicial authorities threw out yr case. It wasn’t even a hard case for them. And it’s not the first time that extremist settlers have resorted to fraud to steal Palestinian land.

So yes, any soldier who refused to evict settlers from this home deserves to be jailed for their mutinous behavior.

imagine that this house would have been bought by an Arab in a Jewish neighborhood

That, my friend, would be a legal impossibility. Arabs can’t buy a house in a Jewish neighborhood. They can’t even build on land that they DO own. But IF an Arab could buy a house in a Jewish neighborhood & for some strange reason resorted to forgining the signature on the deed, then yes, the transaction should be invalidated as it was in this case.

Besides being a violation of international law, targeted assassinations very often kill innocent civilians, not just “people who murder Israelis.” That’s why refusing this order is entirely justified.

By: Ariel

Ariel — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:19:53 +0000

B”H
Richard you joking, right?
An Israeli pilot who refuses to bomb people who murder Israelis (or have others do it for them) is in your eyes moral while a soldier who refuses to throw out Jews from a house that they legally bought for almost a million dollars cash with the papers, video recording the sale and transfer of money and an audio of the Arab admitting to the sale later on is immoral?
Even the judge who presided over the case that Badatz cited as presedent for their decision is reported to disagree with them saying that they have completely misinterpreted it.
Close your eyes for moment and imagine that this house would have been bought by an Arab in a Jewish neighborhood with documentation and video and audio to prove it if the court would rule this way wouldn’t you and people like you be the 1st to cry out against the injustice and call for soldiers to disobey illegal orders offering awards to those who would do so?