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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 07:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What utter narischkeit.  If the Muslim brotherhood didn&#039;t exist Lieberman would be only too glad to invent it.  There was no Muslim brotherhood or Iranian threat when Meir Kahane was alive and Lieberman belonged to Kach.  These hatemongers don&#039;t need Muslim excuses for their hate.  You only serve as an apologist for it.

&lt;blockquote&gt;It’s like physics&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Ah I see.  Now you&#039;re a physicist.  Where&#039;s your degree from?

&lt;blockquote&gt;his statements are rather accurate, if inconvenient. He’s a man of his times.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That all depends on how ignorant and how much hate you store within your mind.  You, apparently share a lot of Lieberman&#039;s delusions though why you&#039;d try to defend him here is beyond me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What utter narischkeit.  If the Muslim brotherhood didn&#8217;t exist Lieberman would be only too glad to invent it.  There was no Muslim brotherhood or Iranian threat when Meir Kahane was alive and Lieberman belonged to Kach.  These hatemongers don&#8217;t need Muslim excuses for their hate.  You only serve as an apologist for it.</p>
<blockquote><p>It’s like physics</p></blockquote>
<p>Ah I see.  Now you&#8217;re a physicist.  Where&#8217;s your degree from?</p>
<blockquote><p>his statements are rather accurate, if inconvenient. He’s a man of his times.</p></blockquote>
<p>That all depends on how ignorant and how much hate you store within your mind.  You, apparently share a lot of Lieberman&#8217;s delusions though why you&#8217;d try to defend him here is beyond me.</p>
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		<title>By: Northern Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Northern Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Lieberman is the natural domestic political reaction to the growing dominance of Muslim brotherhood ideology and Iranian apocalyptic Messianism that surrounds Israel. It&#039;s like physics.  The more &#039;fundamentalist&#039; the Gaza and Ramallah leadership becomes the more Israel will radicalize too.  
What I find so interesting about Lieberman is that for all his apparent horribleness; his statements are rather accurate, if inconvenient. He&#039;s a man of his times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Lieberman is the natural domestic political reaction to the growing dominance of Muslim brotherhood ideology and Iranian apocalyptic Messianism that surrounds Israel. It&#8217;s like physics.  The more &#8216;fundamentalist&#8217; the Gaza and Ramallah leadership becomes the more Israel will radicalize too.<br />
What I find so interesting about Lieberman is that for all his apparent horribleness; his statements are rather accurate, if inconvenient. He&#8217;s a man of his times.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 05:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Avi Benson: &lt;blockquote&gt;ts rather odd that you chose NOT to publish my comment but then pick pieces of it out and reply to them? If this was intentional - that is rather odd and telling about YOU.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
No, it&#039;s rather telling that you don&#039;t know what you&#039;re talking about.  All first time comments are moderated (&amp; if you&#039;re using an IP address you&#039;ve never used before you&#039;re a 1st time commenter).  Since you published five comments in a single day, all were moderated.  As I replied to yr multiple comments individually, I approved them.  Though it appears that in one case I replied to yr comment &amp; forgot to approve yr original comment.  So sue me.  You&#039;re not the only commenter who publishes comments here &amp; I take a lot of time to reply to comments.  So mistakes will happen even though I know that you find this impossible to believe.

I have not yet replied to all hence have not approved all.

But thanks for yr snark now all yr comments will be moderated till you can prove that you&#039;re house-trained enough to know  how to be civil in someone else&#039;s home/blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Avi Benson:<br />
<blockquote>ts rather odd that you chose NOT to publish my comment but then pick pieces of it out and reply to them? If this was intentional &#8211; that is rather odd and telling about YOU.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, it&#8217;s rather telling that you don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re talking about.  All first time comments are moderated (&#038; if you&#8217;re using an IP address you&#8217;ve never used before you&#8217;re a 1st time commenter).  Since you published five comments in a single day, all were moderated.  As I replied to yr multiple comments individually, I approved them.  Though it appears that in one case I replied to yr comment &#038; forgot to approve yr original comment.  So sue me.  You&#8217;re not the only commenter who publishes comments here &#038; I take a lot of time to reply to comments.  So mistakes will happen even though I know that you find this impossible to believe.</p>
<p>I have not yet replied to all hence have not approved all.</p>
<p>But thanks for yr snark now all yr comments will be moderated till you can prove that you&#8217;re house-trained enough to know  how to be civil in someone else&#8217;s home/blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Avi Benson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avi Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its rather odd that you chose NOT to publish my comment but then pick pieces of it out and reply to them? If this was intentional - that is rather odd and telling about YOU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its rather odd that you chose NOT to publish my comment but then pick pieces of it out and reply to them? If this was intentional &#8211; that is rather odd and telling about YOU.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Avi Benson: &lt;blockquote&gt;Having relevant and important geo political issues to discuss? - check&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I think Mubarak has proven quite well that he has no need to visit Israel &amp; little or nothing to be gained by doing so.  It is in Egypt&#039;s interest to resolve the conflict with the Palestinians &amp; see a viable Palestinian state exist.  When Israel proves willing to do so then I&#039;m sure Mubarak will be prepared to visit Israel.  Till then--why reward Israel when it has done nothing to earn such a reward??
&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m sure stating he ‘almost singlehandedly’ ruined diplomatic relations with Egypt is just a bit over the top?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
To yr mind perhaps.  But I&#039;m taking this observation directly fr. Haaretz.  Where does yrs come fr. other than yr own right wing mind?  The president &amp; prime minister of Israel were both forced to publicly apologize for Lieberman&#039;s remarks after they were delivered.  Sounds like a diplomatic crisis headed off just barely to me.
&lt;blockquote&gt;No you going to the well citing the “other coroporal” in the conversation was not not just “cheap” but rather tired as well.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Funny, but I rather liked it myself.  Gee, I&#039;ll have to start taking stylistic &amp; rhetorical directives fr. you pretty soon.  Better yet, why don&#039;t I just let you take over my blog &amp; turn it into a right wing slug fest against everything I hold sacred.

But till then, I think I&#039;ll use my own judgment &amp; write &amp; see things as I do.
&lt;blockquote&gt;if you are styling yourself as the yin to Masada 2000s yang&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Actually, it&#039;s offensive to me that you consider what I do in any context that is linked with that smear sheet.  I am not M2K&#039;s yin or anything of the sort.  Victory Vancier &amp; that site are in a class of hate by themselves.

Avigdor Lieberman is the &#039;righteous&#039; inheritor of the racist, thuggish mantle of Meir Kahane and other racists of the world.  If you don&#039;t like the analogy to the little German corporal--tough s(&amp;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Avi Benson:<br />
<blockquote>Having relevant and important geo political issues to discuss? &#8211; check</p></blockquote>
<p>I think Mubarak has proven quite well that he has no need to visit Israel &#038; little or nothing to be gained by doing so.  It is in Egypt&#8217;s interest to resolve the conflict with the Palestinians &#038; see a viable Palestinian state exist.  When Israel proves willing to do so then I&#8217;m sure Mubarak will be prepared to visit Israel.  Till then&#8211;why reward Israel when it has done nothing to earn such a reward??</p>
<blockquote><p>I’m sure stating he ‘almost singlehandedly’ ruined diplomatic relations with Egypt is just a bit over the top?</p></blockquote>
<p>To yr mind perhaps.  But I&#8217;m taking this observation directly fr. Haaretz.  Where does yrs come fr. other than yr own right wing mind?  The president &#038; prime minister of Israel were both forced to publicly apologize for Lieberman&#8217;s remarks after they were delivered.  Sounds like a diplomatic crisis headed off just barely to me.</p>
<blockquote><p>No you going to the well citing the “other coroporal” in the conversation was not not just “cheap” but rather tired as well.</p></blockquote>
<p>Funny, but I rather liked it myself.  Gee, I&#8217;ll have to start taking stylistic &#038; rhetorical directives fr. you pretty soon.  Better yet, why don&#8217;t I just let you take over my blog &#038; turn it into a right wing slug fest against everything I hold sacred.</p>
<p>But till then, I think I&#8217;ll use my own judgment &#038; write &#038; see things as I do.</p>
<blockquote><p>if you are styling yourself as the yin to Masada 2000s yang</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, it&#8217;s offensive to me that you consider what I do in any context that is linked with that smear sheet.  I am not M2K&#8217;s yin or anything of the sort.  Victory Vancier &#038; that site are in a class of hate by themselves.</p>
<p>Avigdor Lieberman is the &#8216;righteous&#8217; inheritor of the racist, thuggish mantle of Meir Kahane and other racists of the world.  If you don&#8217;t like the analogy to the little German corporal&#8211;tough s(&#038;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Avi Benson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avi Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What does this mean? That Egypt has no ambassador? Has broken off relations?&lt;/i&gt;

A small office that is staffed by 1 person sometimes is the extent of the &#039;public&#039; relations. Israel has under the table talks with many Arab nations that do and don&#039;t &quot;recognize&quot; their existence publically.

&lt;i&gt;There is no law saying that the leader of every country with which one has relations has to visit you. Has Israel ever done anything to make Mubarak feel he should visit? Or wanted to visit? Then why should he?&lt;/i&gt;

Well I suppose how often a leader would visit a coiuntry would depend on a number of factors.
How long has the leader been in office? - some 30 years?
Distance would be a huge factor. - next door
The host country being able to provide nice accomodations and security. - check
Having relevant and important geo political issues to discuss? - check
Having relevant economic issues to discuss. - check
The largest supporter of the Sinai Bedouins economically are Israeli tourists. While Israel gets very little economically from Egypt...

&lt;b&gt;As far as being extremely conciliatory towards Mubarrek?&lt;/b&gt;
Israeli politicians should use discretion. However, are famous for making over the top statements - including the one who said praise Hezbollah and down with Israel (paraphrased) in the Knesset.

I&#039;m sure stating he &#039;almost singlehandedly&#039; ruined diplomatic relations with Egypt is just a bit over the top?

Further, the Middle East is known for being a place where people are pretty direct shall we say.

And we see a lot of deference, class and discretion used in the Egyptian state run press towards Israeli leaders and and Israelis in general. Sharon eating the blood of Arab babies etc... not to mention the racist vile cartoons of Condeleeza Rice....
Finally - many Egyptians I know would like to tell Mubarrek a lot more than to go to hell. I&#039;m sure he&#039;ll get over the &quot;hurt&quot; from Lieberman&#039;s comment.

&lt;i&gt;My pointing out that a cabinet minister almost single handedly wrecked relations with one of the few Arab states that recognizes Israel is “a cheap shot?” Please, spare me.&lt;/i&gt;

No you going to the well citing the &quot;other coroporal&quot; in the conversation was not not just &quot;cheap&quot; but rather tired as well.

&lt;b&gt;Let me clearly state -&lt;/b&gt; I don&#039;t know who put up that poster of Obama (Masada 2000 crowd?) but it is offensive and stupid. And if you are styling yourself as the yin to Masada 2000s yang - well then at least you are admitting to be as base and tired as they are as the &quot;corporal&quot; comparison displays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What does this mean? That Egypt has no ambassador? Has broken off relations?</i></p>
<p>A small office that is staffed by 1 person sometimes is the extent of the &#8216;public&#8217; relations. Israel has under the table talks with many Arab nations that do and don&#8217;t &#8220;recognize&#8221; their existence publically.</p>
<p><i>There is no law saying that the leader of every country with which one has relations has to visit you. Has Israel ever done anything to make Mubarak feel he should visit? Or wanted to visit? Then why should he?</i></p>
<p>Well I suppose how often a leader would visit a coiuntry would depend on a number of factors.<br />
How long has the leader been in office? &#8211; some 30 years?<br />
Distance would be a huge factor. &#8211; next door<br />
The host country being able to provide nice accomodations and security. &#8211; check<br />
Having relevant and important geo political issues to discuss? &#8211; check<br />
Having relevant economic issues to discuss. &#8211; check<br />
The largest supporter of the Sinai Bedouins economically are Israeli tourists. While Israel gets very little economically from Egypt&#8230;</p>
<p><b>As far as being extremely conciliatory towards Mubarrek?</b><br />
Israeli politicians should use discretion. However, are famous for making over the top statements &#8211; including the one who said praise Hezbollah and down with Israel (paraphrased) in the Knesset.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure stating he &#8216;almost singlehandedly&#8217; ruined diplomatic relations with Egypt is just a bit over the top?</p>
<p>Further, the Middle East is known for being a place where people are pretty direct shall we say.</p>
<p>And we see a lot of deference, class and discretion used in the Egyptian state run press towards Israeli leaders and and Israelis in general. Sharon eating the blood of Arab babies etc&#8230; not to mention the racist vile cartoons of Condeleeza Rice&#8230;.<br />
Finally &#8211; many Egyptians I know would like to tell Mubarrek a lot more than to go to hell. I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;ll get over the &#8220;hurt&#8221; from Lieberman&#8217;s comment.</p>
<p><i>My pointing out that a cabinet minister almost single handedly wrecked relations with one of the few Arab states that recognizes Israel is “a cheap shot?” Please, spare me.</i></p>
<p>No you going to the well citing the &#8220;other coroporal&#8221; in the conversation was not not just &#8220;cheap&#8221; but rather tired as well.</p>
<p><b>Let me clearly state -</b> I don&#8217;t know who put up that poster of Obama (Masada 2000 crowd?) but it is offensive and stupid. And if you are styling yourself as the yin to Masada 2000s yang &#8211; well then at least you are admitting to be as base and tired as they are as the &#8220;corporal&#8221; comparison displays.</p>
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		<title>By: bar_kochba132</title>
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		<dc:creator>bar_kochba132</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard-I am not a Lieberman supporter. He favors dividing Jerusalem, and he talks a  lot and does little, although I have heard that he has gotten a lot of money for projects that benefit the Russian Olim (that is fine with me, that&#039;s what politicians are supposed to do).
Anyway, if relations are supposedly so good with Egypt, how can one Knesset member criticizing Mubarak singlehandedly &quot;damage relations&quot;?
You ignored my pointing out that Egypt vilifies Israel and its leaders every day in its official media. Why doesn&#039;t that &quot;damage relations&quot;? Please don&#039;t use one of the two following excuses the Egyptians have been using for years :(1) Egypt has a &quot;free press&quot; and the gov&#039;t has no influence over what is written in gov&#039;t-controlled media or (2) Israel is always wrong, bad, and has it coming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard-I am not a Lieberman supporter. He favors dividing Jerusalem, and he talks a  lot and does little, although I have heard that he has gotten a lot of money for projects that benefit the Russian Olim (that is fine with me, that&#8217;s what politicians are supposed to do).<br />
Anyway, if relations are supposedly so good with Egypt, how can one Knesset member criticizing Mubarak singlehandedly &#8220;damage relations&#8221;?<br />
You ignored my pointing out that Egypt vilifies Israel and its leaders every day in its official media. Why doesn&#8217;t that &#8220;damage relations&#8221;? Please don&#8217;t use one of the two following excuses the Egyptians have been using for years :(1) Egypt has a &#8220;free press&#8221; and the gov&#8217;t has no influence over what is written in gov&#8217;t-controlled media or (2) Israel is always wrong, bad, and has it coming.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@bar_kochba132: Oh good.  Glad to see Bar Kochba is a Lieberman supporter.  That will make you a far more credible figure at this blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bar_kochba132: Oh good.  Glad to see Bar Kochba is a Lieberman supporter.  That will make you a far more credible figure at this blog.</p>
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