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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 23:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Devil’s Advocate: &lt;blockquote&gt;Meretz and the other small groups don’t have enough seats to make a majority-they really on parties like Labor or Kadima&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Wrong again.  Meretz has never been in a coalition with Kadima.  It has been in a coalition with Labor, but hasn&#039;t been in quite some time.  Meretz is not allied with Labor &amp; totally independent of it.  Meretz MKs broke away from Labor &amp; there&#039;s a reason they did so--because Labor was no longer a progressive party.

All you do is show yr ignorance &amp; prejudices I&#039;m afraid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Devil’s Advocate:<br />
<blockquote>Meretz and the other small groups don’t have enough seats to make a majority-they really on parties like Labor or Kadima</p></blockquote>
<p>Wrong again.  Meretz has never been in a coalition with Kadima.  It has been in a coalition with Labor, but hasn&#8217;t been in quite some time.  Meretz is not allied with Labor &#038; totally independent of it.  Meretz MKs broke away from Labor &#038; there&#8217;s a reason they did so&#8211;because Labor was no longer a progressive party.</p>
<p>All you do is show yr ignorance &#038; prejudices I&#8217;m afraid.</p>
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		<title>By: John Dickerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Dickerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FROM REUTERS:

But diplomats and analysts said the election could have implications far beyond Bush&#039;s term, citing opinion polls showing a big lead for the right-wing opposition Likud party of former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who had criticised many of the peace proposals that Livni and outgoing Prime Minister Ehud Olmert have made with U.S. encouragement.

&quot;We&#039;re deeply worried,&quot; said one senior Western diplomat in Jerusalem, speaking anonymously because he did not want to be seen interfering in Israeli politics. &quot;This may spell the end of the diplomatic process, and not just in the near term.&quot;

ENTIRE ARTICLE- 
http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=432009</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FROM REUTERS:</p>
<p>But diplomats and analysts said the election could have implications far beyond Bush&#8217;s term, citing opinion polls showing a big lead for the right-wing opposition Likud party of former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who had criticised many of the peace proposals that Livni and outgoing Prime Minister Ehud Olmert have made with U.S. encouragement.</p>
<p>&#8220;We&#8217;re deeply worried,&#8221; said one senior Western diplomat in Jerusalem, speaking anonymously because he did not want to be seen interfering in Israeli politics. &#8220;This may spell the end of the diplomatic process, and not just in the near term.&#8221;</p>
<p>ENTIRE ARTICLE-<br />
<a href="http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=432009" rel="nofollow">http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=432009</a></p>
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		<title>By: John Dickerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Dickerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FROM &quot;THE INDEPENDENT&quot; (U.K.):

Claiming Kadima had &quot;proven it does what is right&quot;, Ms Livni must now do battle with Mr Netanyahu, who brought the Oslo peace process to a near-halt as prime minister from 1996 to 1999. He has not softened his views since then. They are level in the personal popularity stakes but the right-wing bloc Mr Netanyahu heads is leading in the polls.

ENTORE ARTICLE- http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/chance-for-netanyahu-as-livni-talks-collapse-974417.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FROM &#8220;THE INDEPENDENT&#8221; (U.K.):</p>
<p>Claiming Kadima had &#8220;proven it does what is right&#8221;, Ms Livni must now do battle with Mr Netanyahu, who brought the Oslo peace process to a near-halt as prime minister from 1996 to 1999. He has not softened his views since then. They are level in the personal popularity stakes but the right-wing bloc Mr Netanyahu heads is leading in the polls.</p>
<p>ENTORE ARTICLE- <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/chance-for-netanyahu-as-livni-talks-collapse-974417.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/chance-for-netanyahu-as-livni-talks-collapse-974417.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Devil's Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 08:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;it can be possible because that is the sole reason for your empty claim.&quot;

Nope-Meretz and the other small groups don&#039;t have enough seats to make a majority-they really on parties like Labor or Kadima.  For example-Yossi Beilin was in Labor from 1977-2003 until he went to Meretz with Yael Dayan.  Both were former Labor-nikim.  This goes to show you that the Left in Israel does in fact center around Labor-Labor was historically the focus of the Israeli Left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;it can be possible because that is the sole reason for your empty claim.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nope-Meretz and the other small groups don&#8217;t have enough seats to make a majority-they really on parties like Labor or Kadima.  For example-Yossi Beilin was in Labor from 1977-2003 until he went to Meretz with Yael Dayan.  Both were former Labor-nikim.  This goes to show you that the Left in Israel does in fact center around Labor-Labor was historically the focus of the Israeli Left.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 06:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Devil’s Advocate: &lt;blockquote&gt;you do not understand the politics in Israel&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Now, isn&#039;t that a laugh.  A right-wing Orthodox Jewish Israeli tells me I don&#039;t understand Israeli politics.  Couldn&#039;t it just be possible that because I don&#039;t share YOUR view of Israeli politics that you claim I don&#039;t understand Israeli politics???  Of course it can be possible because that is the sole reason for your empty claim.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Labor is the umbrella for the Israeli left-Meretz, Meimad, ect. That is point blank wrong&lt;/blockquote&gt;
No, I&#039;m afraid it is YOU who is point blank wrong.  If Labor is the &quot;umbrella&quot; for the Israeli left&quot; including Meretz then that would mean that Meretz sits in the current government alongside Meretz, right?  Wrong.  Meretz has nothing whatsoever to do with Labor and hasn&#039;t in ages.  Labor is simply not a left party.  As I said in an earlier comment, only those with right-wing views claims Labor is a left party.
&lt;blockquote&gt;The Palestinians WILL NOT compromise on J-m or right of return&lt;/blockquote&gt;
It&#039;s always instructive to hear from Israeli rightists who seem to believe that they somehow channel the true beliefs of Palestinians.  Actually, most Palestinians, according to reliable public opinion polls ARE willing to compromise on these issues as long as there is a reasonable prospect that such compromise will lead to a real peace agreement.

Everyone but rightists like you knows that the final settlement will be close to the pre 67 borders w. some minor adjustments to incorporate major settlement blocs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Devil’s Advocate:<br />
<blockquote>you do not understand the politics in Israel</p></blockquote>
<p>Now, isn&#8217;t that a laugh.  A right-wing Orthodox Jewish Israeli tells me I don&#8217;t understand Israeli politics.  Couldn&#8217;t it just be possible that because I don&#8217;t share YOUR view of Israeli politics that you claim I don&#8217;t understand Israeli politics???  Of course it can be possible because that is the sole reason for your empty claim.</p>
<blockquote><p>Labor is the umbrella for the Israeli left-Meretz, Meimad, ect. That is point blank wrong</p></blockquote>
<p>No, I&#8217;m afraid it is YOU who is point blank wrong.  If Labor is the &#8220;umbrella&#8221; for the Israeli left&#8221; including Meretz then that would mean that Meretz sits in the current government alongside Meretz, right?  Wrong.  Meretz has nothing whatsoever to do with Labor and hasn&#8217;t in ages.  Labor is simply not a left party.  As I said in an earlier comment, only those with right-wing views claims Labor is a left party.</p>
<blockquote><p>The Palestinians WILL NOT compromise on J-m or right of return</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s always instructive to hear from Israeli rightists who seem to believe that they somehow channel the true beliefs of Palestinians.  Actually, most Palestinians, according to reliable public opinion polls ARE willing to compromise on these issues as long as there is a reasonable prospect that such compromise will lead to a real peace agreement.</p>
<p>Everyone but rightists like you knows that the final settlement will be close to the pre 67 borders w. some minor adjustments to incorporate major settlement blocs.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 06:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Devil’s Advocate: That&#039;s the problem with Jews like you--your identity is black or white.  You&#039;re either a literalist fundamentalist believer in Biblical religion or &quot;assimilated.&quot;  Go back &amp; read the hundreds of posts I&#039;ve written here about Judaism in general and my own Jewish identity &amp; you&#039;ll have your answer.  I don&#039;t answer insulting questions like that anyway.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Do you just accept EVERYTHING?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
You apparently don&#039;t read very well.  I said I did NOT accept a literalist view of Biblical religion.  So why would you ask me specifically whether I accepted Biblical religion?
&lt;blockquote&gt;I am not a Karaite! Only they read the Torah literally-I am just a regular Orthodox Jew.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Touche, buddy.  You know what I mean &amp; you know I was talking about being a Karaite.  You are a slavish adherent of a literalist-fundamentalist view of Jewish identity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Devil’s Advocate: That&#8217;s the problem with Jews like you&#8211;your identity is black or white.  You&#8217;re either a literalist fundamentalist believer in Biblical religion or &#8220;assimilated.&#8221;  Go back &#038; read the hundreds of posts I&#8217;ve written here about Judaism in general and my own Jewish identity &#038; you&#8217;ll have your answer.  I don&#8217;t answer insulting questions like that anyway.</p>
<blockquote><p>Do you just accept EVERYTHING?</p></blockquote>
<p>You apparently don&#8217;t read very well.  I said I did NOT accept a literalist view of Biblical religion.  So why would you ask me specifically whether I accepted Biblical religion?</p>
<blockquote><p>I am not a Karaite! Only they read the Torah literally-I am just a regular Orthodox Jew.</p></blockquote>
<p>Touche, buddy.  You know what I mean &#038; you know I was talking about being a Karaite.  You are a slavish adherent of a literalist-fundamentalist view of Jewish identity.</p>
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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Devil's Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 01:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard: bar_kochba132 was correct when he suggested that you do not understand the politics in Israel 100%:

&quot;Labor is NOT the left.&quot;
Labor is the umbrella for the Israeli left-Meretz, Meimad, ect.  That is point blank wrong.

&quot;It is not the Palestinians who stand in the way of an agreement. Concessions must be made not only by Israel, but by the Palestinians as well.&quot;
These statements are contradictions.  The Palestinians WILL NOT compromise on J-m or right of return.  That cause them to stand in the way just as much as Israel does.

&quot;Everyone DOES know what a final agreement will look like.&quot;
Huh? No we don&#039;t.  There are a lot bones for contention, I guarantee.  That is for sure not true..things have only been discussed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard: bar_kochba132 was correct when he suggested that you do not understand the politics in Israel 100%:</p>
<p>&#8220;Labor is NOT the left.&#8221;<br />
Labor is the umbrella for the Israeli left-Meretz, Meimad, ect.  That is point blank wrong.</p>
<p>&#8220;It is not the Palestinians who stand in the way of an agreement. Concessions must be made not only by Israel, but by the Palestinians as well.&#8221;<br />
These statements are contradictions.  The Palestinians WILL NOT compromise on J-m or right of return.  That cause them to stand in the way just as much as Israel does.</p>
<p>&#8220;Everyone DOES know what a final agreement will look like.&#8221;<br />
Huh? No we don&#8217;t.  There are a lot bones for contention, I guarantee.  That is for sure not true..things have only been discussed.</p>
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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Devil's Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 00:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard-when you say &quot;I don’t allow Biblical religion to determine how I live my Jewish life.&quot;  Why not?  Are you saying that you are assimilated?

&quot;I am the cumulative result of all Jewish life from the beginning to the current day.&quot;
What about the idolatry, turning in of other Jews, sins of the Kings of Israel, and other transgressions-do you embrace those as well?  Do you just accept EVERYTHING?

&quot;I am not a Biblical literalist fundamentalist as you are.&quot;
I am not a Karaite! Only they read the Torah literally-I am just a regular Orthodox Jew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard-when you say &#8220;I don’t allow Biblical religion to determine how I live my Jewish life.&#8221;  Why not?  Are you saying that you are assimilated?</p>
<p>&#8220;I am the cumulative result of all Jewish life from the beginning to the current day.&#8221;<br />
What about the idolatry, turning in of other Jews, sins of the Kings of Israel, and other transgressions-do you embrace those as well?  Do you just accept EVERYTHING?</p>
<p>&#8220;I am not a Biblical literalist fundamentalist as you are.&#8221;<br />
I am not a Karaite! Only they read the Torah literally-I am just a regular Orthodox Jew.</p>
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