ISLAM, the very word means SUBMISSION

Lord preserve us, it’s another ignorant Islamophobe. Submission to God, not man you moron. Where did you learn about Islam? From the Benny Morris-Dan Pipes-David Horowitz School of Pseudo-Islamic Studies?

Judaism also preaches a similar dogma. Or haven’t you heard of the concept of accepting the “yoke of heaven” or “yoke of the Torah?” If you haven’t, I’ll give you Hillel’s advice: “Go and study.”

No protest by Muslims against terror? More lunacy. Do a Google search on precisely those search terms & you’ll find thousands of separate web pages devoted to precisely the subject you claim doesn’t exist.

I see only riots and exhortations to violence

You’re a precise mirror image of the Arab haters of Judaism who claim it is a religion of hate. Neither one of you knows a thing about the other’s religion except what you ea. learn in yr propaganda tracts.

Barry, I’m sure all Israeli women are jumping for joy at the Israeli Beth Din’s treatment of their family law disputes. And which one of the 613 commandments taught “religious” settlers to bash the living daylight out of indigenous West Bank women and children?

Still, I shouldn’t do what you do, Barry. I won’t ask you whether you marched in the streets when the IDF bombed Southern Lebanon. Because I know that both Jewish and Islamic sacred laws have plenty of wonderful teachings and aren’t limited to amputating limbs without anaesthetic. And because aggression, whether carried out by Jews or Muslims, is less interested in implementing religion and more in misusing it.

I am not talking about the modern state of Israel. I’m not suggesting the modern Jewish state was established to be a theocratic state anymore than Pakistan was established to be a Muslim theocratic state.

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stories/s2195087.htm

I am talking about certain people, certain theocratic political factions, inside Israel who wish to transform it into a theocratic state. And I am inquiring if there is any link between the makers of Obsession and such theocratic parties.

Hope that clarifies my line of inquiry.

Are they not the same as people wishing to establish a Jewish state where Jewish sacred law is extreme?

You’re close to making the same mistake the Islamophobes make vis a vis Islam. The current Jewish state does not reflect “Jewish sacred law” in its own laws. It is a secular state, though it does accord Orthodox Judaism control of certain civil matters like marriage & divorce. But this is much diff. than what Islamists propose who support Shaaria.

I should make clear that I do NOT support an Israel in which the Orthodox control any aspect of civil life. But I think it’s important to understand the distinction I make above.

Now, if you want to talk about settler extremists they DO propose a halachic Jewish state in which sacred law rules EVERY aspect of Israeli life. Not to mention that they would rid Israel of non-Jews. These people are truly extreme, but they have not yet achieved their goals.

Some say Islamists are evil because they want to establish an Islamic state ruled by sharia. Are they not the same as people wishing to establish a Jewish state where Jewish sacred law is extreme? And can someone tell me how many Muslim-majority states have as high a proportion of theocrats in their Parliaments or governments as Israel?

And is it the case (I could be wrong) that the makers of “Obsession” are linked to an Israeli theocratic party?

Islam and Muslims are not the problem (which is explicitly stated by the film’s narrator more than once). But they HAVE a problem. And that is radical, political Islamist ideology, which at its core is nothing more than pure hatred toward all non-Muslims, especially Westerners and Jews.

Ridiculous. Islam has no more a problem than Judaism or Christianity or any other major religion has with its own zealots who preach moral superiority and attempt to debase anyone who is not of the faith. Every religion has crazies prepared to kill for the cause. We Jews have had MANY such throughout our history to the present day. To think that Islam has a monopoly on this problem is racist.

Unlike you, I believe that every religion should be prepared to acknowledge its faults & attempt to make tikun or teshuvah for them. I don’t single out any particular religion and say it or its adherents are especially evil. I’ll lv. you to do that.

Oh & if you want to criminalize teaching children to hate will you arrest the settler parents who teach their children to spit on innocent Palestinian passersby in Hebron? Not to mention the same children who throw pails of excrement on the Palestinians’ heads? Or is some hate more understandable & acceptable than others?

Seems to me, an objective viewing of Obsession, for those who are still intellectually capable of the same, should lead all such viewers to the same conclusion: Islam and Muslims are not the problem (which is explicitly stated by the film’s narrator more than once). But they HAVE a problem. And that is radical, political Islamist ideology, which at its core is nothing more than pure hatred toward all non-Muslims, especially Westerners and Jews.

But in the topsy-turvy, through-the-looking-glass world that some people on this site seem to inhabit, exposing such hatred in some very bad people equates with spreading hatred against innocent people, smearing their religion, and all kinds of other terrible things. How, dare I ask, would you propose, then, that one go about shining a light on bad behavior, if you think it should be the policy from here on to shoot the messenger?

Technically, I guess Richard Silverstein is right about one thing. Obsession is a hate-filled film, but he conveniently fails to mention whose hate it is filled with: That of rabid Islamist radicals and their children. And, if anything ought to be criminilized, it should be teaching children to hate (which is disturbingly exposed in this important movie), because that’s exactly how the evil of hatred perpetuates itself — not by naming the hater. Quite to the contrary!

Salam b’Shalom