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		<title>By: Zhubaji</title>
		<link>http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2008/08/29/palin-the-pallid/comment-page-2/#comment-102400</link>
		<dc:creator>Zhubaji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 07:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So will McCain be the GOP Bill Clinton?  A womanizer in office?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So will McCain be the GOP Bill Clinton?  A womanizer in office?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Hank:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I can deal w. people criticizing Obama &amp; I have done so myself (though not for any of the reasons that you or Yoni would’ve criticized him). It’s criticism based on prejudice, ignorance or shallowness that I don’t appreciate.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Only a person acting in bad faith would refuse to accept the explanation I gave you of what I wrote above.  It wasn&#039;t about you. It was about the racists &amp; others who have accused Obama of being Muslim, etc.  If we extend yr logic to my comment then I would&#039;ve not just been including you &amp; Yoni among those who criticize Obama based on prejudice, ignorance &amp; shallowness--I would&#039;ve been charging myself w. the same offense since I wrote that I criticized him as well.  I clearly wasn&#039;t doing that.  Anyone who wants to find offense can find a way to do so.  Congratulations, you&#039;ve succeeded.

You misread my post about Bristol Palin.  I said her pregnancy was a private matter.  But given the fact that Sarah Palin boasts of being an evangelical Christian for whom family values are paramount, her own supporters will be turned off by what has happened.  She herself has made this issue fair game for the press &amp; her supporters to inquire about given her own political/moral/religious values.  What also disturbs me is that she never bothered to teach her child about birth control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Hank:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I can deal w. people criticizing Obama &amp; I have done so myself (though not for any of the reasons that you or Yoni would’ve criticized him). It’s criticism based on prejudice, ignorance or shallowness that I don’t appreciate.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Only a person acting in bad faith would refuse to accept the explanation I gave you of what I wrote above.  It wasn&#8217;t about you. It was about the racists &#038; others who have accused Obama of being Muslim, etc.  If we extend yr logic to my comment then I would&#8217;ve not just been including you &#038; Yoni among those who criticize Obama based on prejudice, ignorance &#038; shallowness&#8211;I would&#8217;ve been charging myself w. the same offense since I wrote that I criticized him as well.  I clearly wasn&#8217;t doing that.  Anyone who wants to find offense can find a way to do so.  Congratulations, you&#8217;ve succeeded.</p>
<p>You misread my post about Bristol Palin.  I said her pregnancy was a private matter.  But given the fact that Sarah Palin boasts of being an evangelical Christian for whom family values are paramount, her own supporters will be turned off by what has happened.  She herself has made this issue fair game for the press &#038; her supporters to inquire about given her own political/moral/religious values.  What also disturbs me is that she never bothered to teach her child about birth control.</p>
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		<title>By: Hank</title>
		<link>http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2008/08/29/palin-the-pallid/comment-page-2/#comment-102372</link>
		<dc:creator>Hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Richard,

You&#039;ve said: 

&quot;Huh? I wrote a comment about Yoni. I was referring to Yoni. It is you who have conflated yrself w. Yoni, not me. I never mentioned your name or referred to yr views about Palin in the comment in question.&quot;

Here are your words I was referring to:

&quot;I can deal w. people criticizing Obama &amp; I have done so myself (though not for any of the reasons that you or Yoni would’ve criticized him). It’s criticism based on prejudice, ignorance or shallowness that I don’t appreciate.&quot;

And you&#039;re right, I know little about this blog. Furthermore I intend to know less.  Your parenthetical phrase brought me into the picture: &quot;(though not for any of the reasons that you or Yoni would’ve criticized him).&quot; Yes, I do read every word.  Perhaps you didn&#039;t intend it that way. I&#039;ll accept that. Thanks for the clarification.

Now today you&#039;ve said regarding Gov Palin&#039;s daughter that that&#039;s a family matter and off limits.  Then you went right on to do just the opposite.  

In closing my comments I&#039;d suggest you try to live up to the appealing title: &quot;Make the World a Better Place.&quot;  

Shalom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Richard,</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve said: </p>
<p>&#8220;Huh? I wrote a comment about Yoni. I was referring to Yoni. It is you who have conflated yrself w. Yoni, not me. I never mentioned your name or referred to yr views about Palin in the comment in question.&#8221;</p>
<p>Here are your words I was referring to:</p>
<p>&#8220;I can deal w. people criticizing Obama &amp; I have done so myself (though not for any of the reasons that you or Yoni would’ve criticized him). It’s criticism based on prejudice, ignorance or shallowness that I don’t appreciate.&#8221;</p>
<p>And you&#8217;re right, I know little about this blog. Furthermore I intend to know less.  Your parenthetical phrase brought me into the picture: &#8220;(though not for any of the reasons that you or Yoni would’ve criticized him).&#8221; Yes, I do read every word.  Perhaps you didn&#8217;t intend it that way. I&#8217;ll accept that. Thanks for the clarification.</p>
<p>Now today you&#8217;ve said regarding Gov Palin&#8217;s daughter that that&#8217;s a family matter and off limits.  Then you went right on to do just the opposite.  </p>
<p>In closing my comments I&#8217;d suggest you try to live up to the appealing title: &#8220;Make the World a Better Place.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Shalom</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
		<link>http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2008/08/29/palin-the-pallid/comment-page-1/#comment-102365</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 08:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Hank: &lt;blockquote&gt;Yet you’ve succeeded in offending again in that you lumped me with Yoni. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Huh?  I wrote a comment about Yoni.  I was referring to Yoni.  It is you who have conflated yrself w. Yoni, not me.  I never mentioned your name or referred to yr views about Palin in the comment in question.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Perhaps you should take greater care in your writings.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Perhaps YOU should take greater care in yr reading.  And it seems to me that if one WANTS to be offended one can find many reasons to be.  They&#039;re not necessarily valid.  But easy enough to find &amp; embrace.

&lt;blockquote&gt; I don’t appreciate the suggestion that I fit your comment: “It’s criticism based on prejudice, ignorance or shallowness that I don’t appreciate.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I was referring in a &lt;em&gt;general &lt;/em&gt;way to those who criticize Barack Obama.  I wasn&#039;t referring to a specific critic (you or anyone else) or specific argument.  Again, you don&#039;t know much about this blog (&amp; continue to display that ignorance unfortunately); one of the subjects I write about is attacks on Obama by the right.  I was making a &lt;em&gt;general &lt;/em&gt;judgment about the content of those attacks.

I&#039;d say your arguments on Palin&#039;s behalf, such as they are, weren&#039;t especially persuasive, but certainly not based on ignorance or prejudice.  But again, you&#039;ve refused to provide any detailed defense of her so it&#039;s hard to judge the quality of yr evidence or argument on that basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Hank:<br />
<blockquote>Yet you’ve succeeded in offending again in that you lumped me with Yoni. </p></blockquote>
<p>Huh?  I wrote a comment about Yoni.  I was referring to Yoni.  It is you who have conflated yrself w. Yoni, not me.  I never mentioned your name or referred to yr views about Palin in the comment in question.</p>
<blockquote><p>Perhaps you should take greater care in your writings.</p></blockquote>
<p>Perhaps YOU should take greater care in yr reading.  And it seems to me that if one WANTS to be offended one can find many reasons to be.  They&#8217;re not necessarily valid.  But easy enough to find &#038; embrace.</p>
<blockquote><p> I don’t appreciate the suggestion that I fit your comment: “It’s criticism based on prejudice, ignorance or shallowness that I don’t appreciate.”</p></blockquote>
<p>I was referring in a <em>general </em>way to those who criticize Barack Obama.  I wasn&#8217;t referring to a specific critic (you or anyone else) or specific argument.  Again, you don&#8217;t know much about this blog (&#038; continue to display that ignorance unfortunately); one of the subjects I write about is attacks on Obama by the right.  I was making a <em>general </em>judgment about the content of those attacks.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say your arguments on Palin&#8217;s behalf, such as they are, weren&#8217;t especially persuasive, but certainly not based on ignorance or prejudice.  But again, you&#8217;ve refused to provide any detailed defense of her so it&#8217;s hard to judge the quality of yr evidence or argument on that basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Hank</title>
		<link>http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2008/08/29/palin-the-pallid/comment-page-1/#comment-102364</link>
		<dc:creator>Hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 07:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your clarification is well taken.  Yet you&#039;ve succeeded in offending again in that you lumped me with Yoni. Perhaps
you should take greater care in your writings.  I don&#039;t appreciate the suggestion that I fit your comment: &quot;It’s criticism based on prejudice, ignorance or shallowness that I don’t appreciate.&quot;
 
You don&#039;t know me.   73s..

Hank</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your clarification is well taken.  Yet you&#8217;ve succeeded in offending again in that you lumped me with Yoni. Perhaps<br />
you should take greater care in your writings.  I don&#8217;t appreciate the suggestion that I fit your comment: &#8220;It’s criticism based on prejudice, ignorance or shallowness that I don’t appreciate.&#8221;</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t know me.   73s..</p>
<p>Hank</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
		<link>http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2008/08/29/palin-the-pallid/comment-page-1/#comment-102363</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 06:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I asked what planet Yoni was on.  You likely didn&#039;t read the comment he published in another thread in which he called for the execution of an Israeli-American peace activist for treason.  I wrote the &quot;offensive&quot; comment not so much because of his views of Palin, but because of the prior highly offensive comment.

Let&#039;s just say that Yoni is a piece of work.

And yes, making a claim that Obama has never stood for change indicates he is not living in any reality that I know, which is why I asked what planet he was on.

I can deal w. people criticizing Obama &amp; I have done so myself (though not for any of the reasons that you or Yoni would&#039;ve criticized him).  It&#039;s criticism based on prejudice, ignorance or shallowness that I don&#039;t appreciate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I asked what planet Yoni was on.  You likely didn&#8217;t read the comment he published in another thread in which he called for the execution of an Israeli-American peace activist for treason.  I wrote the &#8220;offensive&#8221; comment not so much because of his views of Palin, but because of the prior highly offensive comment.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s just say that Yoni is a piece of work.</p>
<p>And yes, making a claim that Obama has never stood for change indicates he is not living in any reality that I know, which is why I asked what planet he was on.</p>
<p>I can deal w. people criticizing Obama &#038; I have done so myself (though not for any of the reasons that you or Yoni would&#8217;ve criticized him).  It&#8217;s criticism based on prejudice, ignorance or shallowness that I don&#8217;t appreciate.</p>
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		<title>By: Hank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 05:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard,   I&#039;d have been more inclined to engage in the conversation with you were you not so offensive.  I&#039;m 
turned off by your attack methods, for instance &quot;what
planet are you on?&quot;  

Hank</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard,   I&#8217;d have been more inclined to engage in the conversation with you were you not so offensive.  I&#8217;m<br />
turned off by your attack methods, for instance &#8220;what<br />
planet are you on?&#8221;  </p>
<p>Hank</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
		<link>http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2008/08/29/palin-the-pallid/comment-page-1/#comment-102361</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 05:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Yoni: Mayor of a town of 6,000.  Governor of the state w. the smallest population in the nation &amp; virtually none of the serious problems facing most of the rest of the nation (except for environmental issues).

Who wanted something different?  Tom Ridge would&#039;ve been a candidate I would&#039;ve felt comfortable with.  I didn&#039;t want something diff. a la Sarah Palin.  And McCain will pay for Palin.  He already is if you read the pages of the NYT.

Obama never stood for change??  What planet are you on?

As for experience, Obama has far more &amp; better experience than Palin any day of the week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Yoni: Mayor of a town of 6,000.  Governor of the state w. the smallest population in the nation &#038; virtually none of the serious problems facing most of the rest of the nation (except for environmental issues).</p>
<p>Who wanted something different?  Tom Ridge would&#8217;ve been a candidate I would&#8217;ve felt comfortable with.  I didn&#8217;t want something diff. a la Sarah Palin.  And McCain will pay for Palin.  He already is if you read the pages of the NYT.</p>
<p>Obama never stood for change??  What planet are you on?</p>
<p>As for experience, Obama has far more &#038; better experience than Palin any day of the week.</p>
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