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	<title>Comments on: Russia: Poland &#8216;Cannot Go Unpunished;&#8217; What&#8217;s Next, Russian Troops in Warsaw?</title>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 18:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That little zinger at the end is going to cost you if you don&#039;t control yr bile better next time.  There are plenty of ways to express yr displeasure with Israel w/o resorting to that epithet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That little zinger at the end is going to cost you if you don&#8217;t control yr bile better next time.  There are plenty of ways to express yr displeasure with Israel w/o resorting to that epithet.</p>
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		<title>By: William Smart</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Smart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 17:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SimoHurta - spend just a few minutes with Finnish people and you&#039;ll be left in no doubt how they feel about Russia. Hatred is not too strong a word.

Having said which, I&#039;m firmly on the side of the Russians on this one. Georgia was very aggressive, and seems to fancy carrying out the same colonisation of their neighbours as Israel. Perhaps most alarmingly, Georgia is friendly with the shitty little nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SimoHurta &#8211; spend just a few minutes with Finnish people and you&#8217;ll be left in no doubt how they feel about Russia. Hatred is not too strong a word.</p>
<p>Having said which, I&#8217;m firmly on the side of the Russians on this one. Georgia was very aggressive, and seems to fancy carrying out the same colonisation of their neighbours as Israel. Perhaps most alarmingly, Georgia is friendly with the shitty little nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@americangoy:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;find the truth&lt;/blockquote&gt;
But you haven&#039;t.  You&#039;ve only found a &quot;truth&quot; that&#039;s comfortable to you but doesn&#039;t at all reflect the full reality.
&lt;blockquote&gt;nternational law states that deliberate targetting of civilian targets is a war crime. That is what Georgia did. End of discussion on that one.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
And still not a word about the Russian Ossetian provocations including artillery barrages against civilian villages &amp; disappearances of Georgian civilians which provoked Georgia&#039;s action?  Come come.  A tad unbalanced aren&#039;t we?  And Georgia occupied Ossetian territory for at most a day or so.  Russia has occupied Georgia for a week now &amp; its Ossetian allies have committed unspeakable &amp; far worse crimes against civilians than Georgia did.  And yet this you support.  Yr perspective deserves no respect &amp; will get none.  It&#039;s moral blindness &amp; pro-Russian sycophantism.

And comparing Georgia and Russia&#039;s occupation of it with the Allies occupation of Germany after WWII is of a piece with the rest of yr shoddy political &quot;analysis.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@americangoy:</p>
<blockquote><p>find the truth</p></blockquote>
<p>But you haven&#8217;t.  You&#8217;ve only found a &#8220;truth&#8221; that&#8217;s comfortable to you but doesn&#8217;t at all reflect the full reality.</p>
<blockquote><p>nternational law states that deliberate targetting of civilian targets is a war crime. That is what Georgia did. End of discussion on that one.</p></blockquote>
<p>And still not a word about the Russian Ossetian provocations including artillery barrages against civilian villages &#038; disappearances of Georgian civilians which provoked Georgia&#8217;s action?  Come come.  A tad unbalanced aren&#8217;t we?  And Georgia occupied Ossetian territory for at most a day or so.  Russia has occupied Georgia for a week now &#038; its Ossetian allies have committed unspeakable &#038; far worse crimes against civilians than Georgia did.  And yet this you support.  Yr perspective deserves no respect &#038; will get none.  It&#8217;s moral blindness &#038; pro-Russian sycophantism.</p>
<p>And comparing Georgia and Russia&#8217;s occupation of it with the Allies occupation of Germany after WWII is of a piece with the rest of yr shoddy political &#8220;analysis.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: americangoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>americangoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I can’t believe someone of Polish descent would cozy up to the Russian bear as you have. &quot;

Oh come now now - I look at an event, find the truth and go for it.  I am a speak my mind kind of guy - I tell you what I think.

&quot;And to accuse Georgia of war crimes is simply swallowing Russian propaganda hook, line, &amp; sinker.&quot;

No, it is calling a spade a spade.

International law states that deliberate targetting of civilian targets is a war crime.  That is what Georgia did.  End of discussion on that one.

&quot;And how, pray tell do you justify Russia’s continuing occupation of Georgian territory &amp; its troops being 20 miles from Tblisi?&quot;
The same way that Americans, French, British, Polish, Canadian, Soviet troops found themselves on German (Nazi) soil.

Funny, no one then protested that the Western Allies nor the Soviets were somehow &quot;expanding beyond the zone of conflict&quot;, as the media here would have us believe.

What - the allies were supposed to stop at the German border?  Let us not be ridiculous.

Georgia needed to be punished for naked aggression and deliberate targetting of civilians - and they were punished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I can’t believe someone of Polish descent would cozy up to the Russian bear as you have. &#8221;</p>
<p>Oh come now now &#8211; I look at an event, find the truth and go for it.  I am a speak my mind kind of guy &#8211; I tell you what I think.</p>
<p>&#8220;And to accuse Georgia of war crimes is simply swallowing Russian propaganda hook, line, &amp; sinker.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, it is calling a spade a spade.</p>
<p>International law states that deliberate targetting of civilian targets is a war crime.  That is what Georgia did.  End of discussion on that one.</p>
<p>&#8220;And how, pray tell do you justify Russia’s continuing occupation of Georgian territory &amp; its troops being 20 miles from Tblisi?&#8221;<br />
The same way that Americans, French, British, Polish, Canadian, Soviet troops found themselves on German (Nazi) soil.</p>
<p>Funny, no one then protested that the Western Allies nor the Soviets were somehow &#8220;expanding beyond the zone of conflict&#8221;, as the media here would have us believe.</p>
<p>What &#8211; the allies were supposed to stop at the German border?  Let us not be ridiculous.</p>
<p>Georgia needed to be punished for naked aggression and deliberate targetting of civilians &#8211; and they were punished.</p>
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		<title>By: fiddler</title>
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		<dc:creator>fiddler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Richard: I think you misunderstood me. I didn&#039;t deny that Jews could be atheists, in fact I agreed. Also, I was probably using a broader definition of &quot;atheist&quot; than you, not limited to the literal &quot;without God&quot;, but rather as &quot;without religion&quot; or spirituality. (Using the narrow definition would make e.g. Buddhists, who know no personal God, atheists, which doesn&#039;t make sense to me.)
My point was that there are several levels of meaning of &quot;Jewish&quot; - religious, ethnic, tribal - and that&#039;s a recipe for confusion. In that sense I disagreed with your statement that the fact that Jews can be atheists was a beauty of your &lt;b&gt;religion&lt;/b&gt;. I&#039;m certainly not telling anybody if they&#039;re Jewish or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Richard: I think you misunderstood me. I didn&#8217;t deny that Jews could be atheists, in fact I agreed. Also, I was probably using a broader definition of &#8220;atheist&#8221; than you, not limited to the literal &#8220;without God&#8221;, but rather as &#8220;without religion&#8221; or spirituality. (Using the narrow definition would make e.g. Buddhists, who know no personal God, atheists, which doesn&#8217;t make sense to me.)<br />
My point was that there are several levels of meaning of &#8220;Jewish&#8221; &#8211; religious, ethnic, tribal &#8211; and that&#8217;s a recipe for confusion. In that sense I disagreed with your statement that the fact that Jews can be atheists was a beauty of your <b>religion</b>. I&#8217;m certainly not telling anybody if they&#8217;re Jewish or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Andy: This is a terrific source &amp; I note the money quote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Thus, it is not inconsistent for an atheist to be Jewish. &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Andy: This is a terrific source &#038; I note the money quote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Thus, it is not inconsistent for an atheist to be Jewish. </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@americangoy:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Georgian troops delivered a surprise, punishing artillery and GRAD (modern Katyushas) bombardment aimed at Ossetian villages, towns and their capital city - these are civilian targets, and what Georgians did IS a war crime&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I can&#039;t believe someone of Polish descent would cozy up to the Russian bear as you have.  First the Georgian attack did not happen in a vacuum.  For weeks before Georgia attacked, Ossetian separatists along w. their Russian military allies were bombarding Georgian villages and Georgian civilians were being disappeared in Ossetia.

I do not justify or defend the Georgian invasion.  But it did not happen in a vacuum.  And to accuse Georgia of war crimes is simply swallowing Russian propaganda hook, line, &amp; sinker.  And if we want to talk about war crimes, can you promise you&#039;ll support hauling Ossetian militia leaders before international tribunals for the entire Georgian villages which have been burned to the ground in both Ossetia &amp; Georgia itself.

And how, pray tell do you justify Russia&#039;s continuing occupation of Georgian territory &amp; its troops being 20 miles from Tblisi?  Or don&#039;t you feel Russia should have to follow the norms of international relations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@americangoy:</p>
<blockquote><p>Georgian troops delivered a surprise, punishing artillery and GRAD (modern Katyushas) bombardment aimed at Ossetian villages, towns and their capital city &#8211; these are civilian targets, and what Georgians did IS a war crime</p></blockquote>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe someone of Polish descent would cozy up to the Russian bear as you have.  First the Georgian attack did not happen in a vacuum.  For weeks before Georgia attacked, Ossetian separatists along w. their Russian military allies were bombarding Georgian villages and Georgian civilians were being disappeared in Ossetia.</p>
<p>I do not justify or defend the Georgian invasion.  But it did not happen in a vacuum.  And to accuse Georgia of war crimes is simply swallowing Russian propaganda hook, line, &#038; sinker.  And if we want to talk about war crimes, can you promise you&#8217;ll support hauling Ossetian militia leaders before international tribunals for the entire Georgian villages which have been burned to the ground in both Ossetia &#038; Georgia itself.</p>
<p>And how, pray tell do you justify Russia&#8217;s continuing occupation of Georgian territory &#038; its troops being 20 miles from Tblisi?  Or don&#8217;t you feel Russia should have to follow the norms of international relations?</p>
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		<title>By: americangoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>americangoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, was supposed to read &quot;Russia is 110% right on this one, and USA, Israel&quot; are in the wrong.

Do not forget - on the first day of the Olympic games, Georgian troops delivered a surprise, punishing artillery and GRAD (modern Katyushas) bombardment aimed at Ossetian villages, towns and their capital city - these are civilian targets, and what Georgians did IS a war crime, no ifs, buts about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, was supposed to read &#8220;Russia is 110% right on this one, and USA, Israel&#8221; are in the wrong.</p>
<p>Do not forget &#8211; on the first day of the Olympic games, Georgian troops delivered a surprise, punishing artillery and GRAD (modern Katyushas) bombardment aimed at Ossetian villages, towns and their capital city &#8211; these are civilian targets, and what Georgians did IS a war crime, no ifs, buts about it.</p>
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