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Bush in Knesset Speech Calls Obama Foreign Policy ‘Delusion’ and ‘Appeasement’

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47 Responses to “Bush in Knesset Speech Calls Obama Foreign Policy ‘Delusion’ and ‘Appeasement’”

Suzanne says:

May 18, 2008 at 4:33 AM

Richard yes – I am still pretty bewildered that the 04 election was so close. that the first mistake of electing Bush, a man who never had the goods to be president was compounded using just this kind of fear/ demagoguery/dishonesty and thievery. It never should have been so close. (What chutzpah to say that Obama isn’t qualified in the light of GWB who had little experience to begin with 8 years ago and has learned NOTHING since.)

And here we are again with more demagoguery ( see Youtube Chris Matthews make a fool out of right-wing radio screamer Kevin James who did not know the meaning of appeasement or what happened in ’38 as he kept shouting). The screamer knew NOTHING and how many who listen to him nod??

So we as a country have allowed a “dullard” ( you are too kind) to go on like this for 8 years- no impeachment for the unforgivable crime of taking us to a war that was not necessary and all that has come in it’s wake here and abroad.

And now let’s watch as “swift-boat” mavens and fearmongers take aim (encouraged by our dullard in chief in the Knesset).

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LeaNder says:

May 18, 2008 at 6:14 AM

Check this Suzanne, concerning the “swift-boat”. I am sure Obama’s people are busy and prepared for another hoax along these lines. Besides time are changing.

http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com/2008/05/anti-obama-rumor-of-day.html

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Bill Pearlman says:

May 18, 2008 at 7:04 AM

There were 50,000 Palestinian Jews in the British army. ( and yes at that time when you said Palestinian you were referring to Jews) There was a Moslem SS division. The Arabs threw in with the Germans, without question. Are you that caught up in moral ambiguity that you can’t make that distinction?

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LeaNder says:

May 18, 2008 at 9:11 AM

I am aware of what you write Bill, but – I assume you are addressing me – not quite why you think you have to point it out to m

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LeaNder says:

May 18, 2008 at 9:11 AM

I am aware of what you write Bill, but – I assume you are addressing me – not quite why you think you have to point it out to me.

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Suzanne says:

May 18, 2008 at 5:21 PM

LeaNder- it has to be more than rumor if it’s going anywhere. So let’s hear it. Maybe this is what Hillary is wishing for. But “to Swiftboat” is a verb, used a lot lately, so those with some political awareness will be more wary. But it’s a good question how much of the general public will fall again for unsubstantiated rumors with unexamined origins.

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Richard Silverstein says:

May 18, 2008 at 6:00 PM

@Bill Pearlman:

A “Moslem SS division?” You don’t know shit from shinola. There may’ve been Arabs fighting for the Nazis but I’d dare you to prove they constituted an “SS division” as you claim.

So you’re saying it doesn’t bother you that Jews supported the German cause in order to overthrow the Brits??

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Leander says:

May 18, 2008 at 6:39 PM

Jim Lobe, Nazi-Iran Analogy:
http://www.ips.org/blog/jimlobe/?p=140

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Bill Pearlman says:

May 18, 2008 at 8:25 PM

It was the 13th waffen SS division, The Scimitar Division Waffen SS. They had a great time hunting Jews in Yugoslavia. Meanwhile you had the Jewish Brigade, attached to the Briitish army. Among the other 50,000 Palestinian Jews in the British army. Hannah Senesh, SOE, droped into Europe and tortured to death by the same Germans who were entertaining the mufti in Jerusalem. You can bow down to the altar of the nakba all you want but don’t try to white wash Moslem backing of the Nazi’s.

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Richard Silverstein says:

May 18, 2008 at 10:02 PM

As usual, you can’t trust the truth or accuracy of anything Bill says. I had to look up this stupid issue in Wikipedia to get to the bottom of it. Yes, there was an SS division composed of Bosnian Muslims (not Palestinian Muslims) and Catholics. There were approx. 10,000 Muslims serving. They fought for the Germans for reasons having nothing whatsoever to do w. Jews or Palestinian Muslims. They fought because Serbian Chetniks had murdered 100,000 Bosnian Muslims earlier in WWII & there was a desire to fight back.

Meanwhile:

In 1940, Lehi proposed intervening in World War II on the side of Nazi Germany. It offered assistance in “evacuating” the Jews of Europe, in return for Germany’s help in expelling Britain from Mandate Palestine. Late in 1940, Lehi representative Naftali Lubenchik was sent to Beirut where he met the German official Werner Otto von Hentig. Lubenchik told von Hentig that Lehi had not yet revealed its full power and that they were capable of organizing a whole range of anti-British operations.

…On January 11, 1941 a letter was sent from Der Marvitz, the German Naval attaché in Ankara, depicting an offer to “actively take part in the war on Germany’s side” in return for German support for “the establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich”.

–Wikipedia, Lehi

I still find it unbelievable that any Jew could support the German side no matter how much hatred they might have for the British. A Jew supporting Germany is FAR MORE TROUBLING than a Bosnian Muslim serving in the German army to fight Serbian fascists. It musn’t bother Bill because we still haven’t heard a peep out of him on this.

Not to mention that Ben Gurion made his famous statement that he’d prefer to witness the destruction of all of European Jewry if the alternative was that all escaped to countries other than Israel (then Palestine).

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Richard Silverstein says:

May 18, 2008 at 10:04 PM

@LeaNder: I ban him not just because of the insults directed at you. Pearlman is just an insult to the human race & damn tiresome.

Don’t worry, he seems to have access to unlimited IP addresses & manages to weasel his way back into the threads.

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Mark says:

May 19, 2008 at 5:21 AM

It’s embarrassing how little you all know about the depth of Arab and Moslem cooperationwith the Germans.And for intelligent people to use wikipedia as a source. http://www.nyjtimes.com/cover/03-22-05/Arabs&Nazis-CanItBeTrue.htm

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LeaNder says:

May 19, 2008 at 8:23 AM

“But it’s a good question how much of the general public will fall again for unsubstantiated rumors with unexamined origins.”

Suzanne, I sure hope the Obama camp has a brilliant risk assessment. So far they did a good job.

Richard, Billy Boy is pretty predictable. Obviously for you, that must feel quite a bit different. For me he is some kind of counterpoint. He doesn’t hit really deeply. Mostly it feels like a rather light-hearted insult and fast insult, andyou won’t believe occasionally he even dives beyond these surfaces. Rarely only, but nevertheless.

I am not really deeply familiar with the Zionist or Palestinian/Arab/Muslim Nazi connections. The Husseini (however you like to spell it) clan had a man in Berlin. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Amin_al-Husayni, and I am sure he had his fingers in Muslim recruitment. I doubt if the Zionist were that close ….. So on this issue I still lean slightly towards Pearlman.

At the moment Francis R Nicosia seems to be losing the fight against many other author’s books. But he sure is still on my reading list. http://tinyurl.com/4aexvd
Too many play to fat with evidence, for my taste.

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Kraut says:

May 19, 2008 at 8:42 AM

Richard, I have decided to consider Pearlman as a counterpoint. Maybe in the state of “countercheck quarrelsome”. (search Romeo and Juliet) Besides, I am leaning towards his position on this.If I were a friend of reading history backwards or confusing it with fiction, I might find the Zionist – Nazi connection more interesting too. But while lately Francis R. NIcosia has lost the fight against a whole pile of other authors, I will read him in the near future: http://tinyurl.com/4aexvd

There definitively is a connection between the Husseini clan and the Nazis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Amin_al-Husayni. … I doubt the Zionist were that close.

Suzanne, Obama will win! Especially since Richard told us, it never happened before that someone he supported became president. And yes, I trust in the risk assessment of the Obamaites. And I will be really offended, if some”kind of swiftboaters” will again fish for bias. What is Rove doing?

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LeaNder says:

May 19, 2008 at 9:03 AM

Richard, I have decided to consider Pearlman as a counterpoint. Maybe in the state of “countercheck quarrelsome”. (…) Besides, I am leaning towards his position on this issue. We can’t read the thirties from our contemporary perspectives,. And yes, I have absolutely no doubt the Zionists were children of their times, how could they have been anything but? It’s an absolutely interesting topic no doubt. One of these day I’ll dive into these times, with a little help from Francis R. Nicosia. At the moment he has lost the fight against a whole pile of other authors. But I will read him in the near future: http://tinyurl.com/4aexvd.

There definitively is a close connection between the Husseini clan and the Nazis; even if the Wiki’s cry bias at the moment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Amin_al-Husayni. … I still doubt the Zionist were that close.

Suzanne, Obama will win! Especially since Richard told us, it never happened before that someone he supported became president. And yes, I trust in the risk assessment of the Obamaites. And I will be really offended, if some”kind of swiftboaters” will again fish for bias. What is Rove doing?

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Richard Silverstein says:

May 19, 2008 at 12:05 PM

@Mark: It is ironic beyond measure that someone relying on a “source” called the “New York Jewish Times” would impugn the reliability of Wikipedia as a source; especially w/o providing a shred of evidence (“evidence,” what’s evidence?) to question it. I carefully vet Wikipedia articles before I link to them. Yr standards apparently aren’t as high.

I didn’t say Arabs didn’t collaborate. I said that Jews sought to as well which, once again is a claim that none of you apologists are willing to touch w. a 10 foot pole.

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Daga says:

May 21, 2008 at 4:33 AM

@Mark
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It’s embarrassing how little you all know about the depth of Arab and Moslem cooperationwith the Germans.And for intelligent people to use wikipedia as a source

You should always exercise criticism of your sources. Avoid media or writers you know or suspect of having a bias. I prefer to use regimes opposition or critics. Like Richard here. On Iran I prefer to read arab newspapers, and vice versa.
In Uncharted Waters Wikipedia is an excellent starting point, use the footnotes for a check, and if you are the least uncertain, spend 5 minutes “googling” on important issues.

Back to you Mark. Your link to “New York Jewish Times” as a proof of arab cooperation with the nazi regime fails the most benign litmus test as a reliable source. You will always find people cooperating with the enemy. Hitler had Quisling and jewish “kapos”, US have Maliki and Kharzai, Israel have Abbas. Why some people chose to side with the enemy is hard to tell. Sometimes greed, ideology, pressure or just stupidity.

Your embarrassment should not be our ignorance of ” Arab and Moslem cooperation with the Germans” but of your own opinionated assertion that we lack the very quality your comment is a valid proof of short supply.

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