Not sure I fully agree with yr definition of “Uncle Tom.”  Selling out to the white man isn’t the same as being racist toward one’s own.

But at any rate, I have a problem with the idea that one can hate oneself or one’s own flesh & blood.  Yes, it happens.  There are such examples.  But the term is so often misused that it almost has no meaning through abuse.  And if you want to see such abuse in spades just keep yr eye on the threads here where it happens so regularly I could set my watch by it.

Uncle Tom wasn’t ‘racist toward his own.’ He was obsequeious before white folk & therefore an embarrassment to Black folk. Besides, any way you look at it I’m neither racist nor an Uncle Tomashevsky.

First off, I didn’t call you an Uncle Tom, but I can see how what I wrote can be perceived in that fashion. Rather I was taking issue with the concept that one can’t be racist towards ones own. I disagree with much of what you write, but believe me, if I wanted to insult you, I would show you enough respect to be open about it.

Secondly, I didn’t say “What about Uncle Tom”, I said “What about an Uncle Tom”. That is, the concept of Uncle Tom as opposed to the character from “Uncle Toms cabin”.

While you would be correct that an Uncle Tom is not the same thing as someone racist towards his own, as per the wiki entry, nevertheless, in common usage it is clear that it has those implications as well.

-ron

I pointed out why I thought others were demanding Olmert’s life. I observed that their demands were premature (I admit I am one of those Israeli citizens who believe he is indeed traitorously attempting to negotiate away parts of Jerusalem - which has been annexed), that there should be a trial.

Frankly, I have no interest in WHY you wrote what you wrote or whether you feel it’s justified to explain someone else’s view. I’m only interested in WHAT you wrote & it is simply ASUR here to explain or advocate the execution, assassination or whatever of any elected leader in Israel or Palestine. PERIOD. Do it again & I’ll ban you again. Don’t even try to explain or justify why someone else has advocated this position. I simply won’t have it.

Why do you invoke the image of blood dripping if not to incite against the people responsible for the posters?

I have uploaded the actual poster into this post for you & all readers to review. I’ll let everyone decide for themselves whether there was blood on the minds of those who created this poster & this pogrom. If you were fair & honest you’d agree w. me, but I don’t care whether you do or not. This poster is an incitement to a pogrom–plain & simple. I merely point out what I think is obvious. Call it whatever the hell you want, I don’t care.

Someone can’t be a racist towards his own? What about an “Uncle Tom”?

Uncle Tom wasn’t ‘racist toward his own.’ He was obsequeious before white folk & therefore an embarrassment to Black folk. Besides, any way you look at it I’m neither racist nor an Uncle Tomashevsky.

Why are you picking on the Jews ?

Because I am one and because this blog deals with Jews, Judaism and Jewish history. And because it disturbs me that anyone should build a nation on the blood of others, especially the innocent. Just because this has happened in the past doesn’t mean that I have to go along with it when it’s my own people doing it.

By picking on the Jews and by blaiming them for things that are common to all humanity you are acting like a racist.

Mazel tov–you’ve come up w. a new concept: self-racism. It will enter the halls of useless, nonsensical rhetoric along with “Jewish self-hatred.”

Convenient that you dont mention that the demonstration by the extremist jews was in fact a reaction for the murders of their own jewish children at school

Before you make accusations you ought to do a little reading here. I’ve written several posts before this one talking about precisely the terror attack which you claim I haven’t mentioned. The only reason I didn’t specifically mention it here was that I HAVE mentioned it before & assumed readers would know this.

Wouldnt you do the same if it was your son?

The community where I live, Seattle, endured a terror attack & the victims & parents of the victims reacted diametrically opposite to the way you appear to think human being would react. They understood immediately that the shooter was mentally disturbed. They understood that he didn’t represent all Muslims. They did not blame all Muslism. They did not use the attack as justification for going on the rampage against Arabs. So no, I wouldn’t do the same & I’m proud to say that my fellow local Jews didn’t either.

The few examples of hatred you pointed out…is not a common denominator in the Israeli populace. Your comparisons of the hatred is insubstantial, as Arab hatred and acts of violence pre date the State of Israels creation.

There is a very high level of racism inherent within Israeli Jews as proven by public opinion surveys. Terrorist violence against Palestinians is fueled by these underlying discriminatory views which you’ve only reinforced in yr condescending statement above. Jewish acts of violence against Palestinians also pre-date the State of Israel’s creation. So what does it prove?

it is against the law in Israel to give up territory:

@Yerushalimey: It is outrageous that you claim that Olmert’s life is being threatened because he is a criminal under Israeli law. Second, the law that you quote doesn’t apply to this situation because the Occupied Territories are not part of Israel’s sovereign territory. Until Israel annexes them & calls them its own this law is irrelevant.

Those who call for his execution are merely premature

I have banned you once & lifted the ban. But I warn you once again that justifying in any way the death of the elected Israeli prime minister (or Palestinian president for that matter) is grounds for banning here. I don’t mess around with incitement. If you want to play with fire you’ll have to publish your views elsewhere.

you point out that the Jews are actually WORSE

@ Bar Kochba: More misquotations & misapprehensions of my pt of view. Jews are NOT worse and they are not better. They are human & therefore roughly equivalent in their behavior. The diff. is that Jews have more firepower & can do more damage than Palestinians can do. Believe me, if the Palestinians could kill 130 Jews in a week, most of them civilians while the Jews had no recourse to resist, then I’d be railing against the Palestinians.

you feel you have the duty to trumpet to the whole world how despicable the Jews really are

No, I only feel I have a duty to point out to the Israel First crowd that Israelis (NOT “Jews” as you write above–an important distinction which you’ve attemptd to erase) are not white as driven snow. In their propaganda Israeli nationalists like you & them attempt to paint the Palestinians as the devil personified & Israelis as blameless.

lynchings of Christians in the Middle East in the wake of the Danish Muhammed cartoons (those poor Christians who were lynched probably didn’t even know why it was happening).

Another lie. There were no “lychings” of Christians in the Middle East in the aftermath of the cartoons. You’ve been reading too much Little Green Footballs. As I recall, a priest was murdered in Turkey but this was a crime committed by extreme Turkish nationalists, not Islamic extremists; & the crime took place in the context of internal Turkish politics & had nothing to do w. the cartoons.

Europeans have generally absorbed the lesson and generally avoid offending the Muslims today

Howso? The cartoons have been reprinted numerous times including most recently a month ago or so & prominently republished. Geert Wilders distributed an atrocious piece of anti-Muslim film propaganda in Fitna. Guess what? No Islamic riots. No lychings. What happened to yr picture of evil Islam? Why didn’t they riot? Why didn’t they kill? How inconvenient for yr argument.

We should burn down all the stores that sell Hametz…I thank you for showing us the way.

The Danish cartoons insulted the Prophet. Are you claiming that hametz is a concept of equivalent importance to the image of the founder of the Muslim religion?? And btw, there has been plenty of Haredi violence against those who do not share their religious views. Are you forgetting the gay marcher who was stabbed last year? And that’s but one incident. And if you think Haredi thugs (not all are but there are certainly a good number among them) need my encouragement or example to foment violence you’re really losing it.

Israeli Jews know exactly what their fellow Arab citizens are about.,,They just might know something more about what’s going on than a “progressive Jew” living in Seattle.

@ Bill Pearlman: How would they? Would they work with them? Play with them? Go to school with them? Pray with them? Shop with them? Study with them? Would they study their literature? Read their newspapers? No, to all those questions w. the possible exception of the last at University. So how would they know anything at all about the “alien other?”