Fact check:
1. The 12 Arabs killed were not form Nazareth but from different villages in the North (including Nazareth)
2. They were rioting, not mere demonstrating (even your beloved Ha’aretz knows this: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/790350.html)
3. The mentally ill AWOL soldier’s name was Natan Zada, not Zenda.
4. The curfew event appened in 1956 (not the War of Independence) and was committed by border police and not the Palmach and took place in Kfar Kassem.

1. You say the Arabs killed were “not from Nazareth” but that some WERE from Nazareth. Which is it? At any rate, I meant to say that the demonstration at which they were killed was in Nazareth.

2. They were demonstrating and they were killed. Even if they were rioting killing them was a criminal act for which the Israeli police & government have refused to punish anyone in a shameful dereliction of duty & responsibility.

3. Thanks for correcting that mistake. As for Natan Zada’s mental state I’ve never heard any news report alleging he was mentally ill nor that he was under any form of mental health treatment. In fact, his family, from the stories I read, also were extremists. Were they all mentally ill as well & is that how he came by his hate for Arabs? Your attempt to transform homicidal hate for Arabs into mental illness is rather unconvincing.

4. Again thanks. I wrote my comment before researching & confirming what I wrote which is almost always a mistake. I stand corrected & thanks for that.

The alleged commenter “AD” has revealed at his blog that he is Aussie Dave deliberately concealing his identity under a pseudonym. Really, Dave–don’t you think this kind of subterfuge is beneath you? Oh, that’s right, you’re Aussie Dave. This type of behavior is precisely the way you operate.

No, I don’t assume context is understood. That’s why I clearly & explicitly stated that there is Palestinian hatred & incitement. I clearly & explicitly stated that there is hatred on both sides. I didn’t only talk about one side. I acknowledged it on both sides. What more do you want, blood?

Your playing semantics is just silly. You ‘acknowledge’ Palestinian incitement and then find an Israeli act to which you use over the top descriptive adjectives… if your purpose is to purposefully expose Israeli incitement or acts not as known as Palestinian than ok, that’s a legit excuse… but don’t pretend you go at both with as much fervor.

Your pupose and context needs to be understood, as well as this NY Times article, where they were writing about PA incitement… however, you then hypocritically then point out that when writing about PA incitement, didn’t give it any justification with any Israeli culpability to provide context….

His name is “Whitaker,” not that you’d care about accuracy. To the best of my knowledge the leader of CAIR is not an intelligence agent for the PA or any Arab government.

Oh, in that case the leader of CAIR sounds like exactly the kind of guy I want to trust. CAIR’s many links to Islamist extremists and terrorist groups and their not so secret Saudi funding which they don’t want to admit to, is not really relevant.

Intelligence agents esp. Israeli ones are not generally accorded the title of most impartial political observers.

So esp ‘Israeli ones’?  you just got the zeitgeist on that one.. no real proof, as an insider you just generally know and imparting this inside zeitgeist awareness to your readers.

Whitaker’s arguments against MEMRI do not rely on CAIR. They rely on actual ACCURATE translations by independent experts which show the errors & distortions of MEMRI. That has nothing to to do w. CAIR.

It is notable though how in his initial article, which you linked to, that right after trying to smear MEMRI, after he admits their translations were accurate, he then cites the leader of an organizaion with shadows and links to extremist groups, just a tad revealing and ironic while he’s using “shadowy” links as a means to defeat credibility.
It shows where his impluses and biases lie…

If I had to choose bet. Ephraim Levy (the former Mosad director you disparage) or Yigal Carmon to save my life or the life of the Israeli nation I know who I’d trust.

I wasn’t disparaging him I was just making a point which you proved… when a former director makes a point you or the Guardian agree with then former Intel directors  [who are obviously a lot more knowledgeable of good and bad] than the average person, become relevant… when they another time or another former director state something you don’t like… well then ESPEC ISRAELI ONES are to be looked at with condescension and suspicion.

Another was an Egyptian newspaper’s interview with the mufti of Jerusalem. Memri’s translators changed the question: “How do you deal with the Jews who are besieging al-Aqsa and are scattered around it?” to “How do you feel about the Jews?” They then heavily edited the mufti’s words to give an anti-semitic-sounding reply to the new question.

Shame on them for missing that semantic point!
So if a question was posed to Jews or Americans how do you feel about Muslims in general versus how do you feel about Muslims who are dancing on 9/11 and smiling? So in that case any American that made the racist hateful comments this fine Mufti made and regularly makes - you could then put the comments into better context…. and not accuse any American who states with hystreonic over the top adjectives of ignorance and hatred? bcs they were particularly speaking about Muslims in a particular act.

So much thanks to Mr. Whitaker for making this enlightening point as to the fuller context of the fine Mufti’s words….

As in the case of the children’s TV programme, there appears to be a political motive. The effect of this is to devalue everything Memri translates…Responsible news organisations can’t rely on anything it says without going back and checking its translations against the original Arabic.

Yes, but the leader of CAIR, funded by the Saudi Wahabists, is someone apparently Whitaker believes is a valid opinion and interpreter unbiased to the West. The NY Times and other newspapers should have more translators to watch and translate the Arabic media and what their leaders say in Arabic versus English… and make sure MEMRI gets their translations exactly on the money… and then actually publish it so people can read them - that’s a valid conversation that is not happening enough… shine the light on it…. the more light the better.

Whitaker is a repsected journalist writing for one of England’s most distinguished newspapers who does test the accuracy of everything MEMRI translates or publishes before he accepts them as accurate.

And a left wing newspaper in England. Though it’s funny you didn’t note that since you frequently note a newspaper, organization or person is right wing when you feel that is the case? Wonder why that is?

Good for Mr. Whitaker here, though to provide fuller context it is doubtful that he’ll cite any of the benfits and service MEMRI does provide or when their translations or citations and completely accurate and worthwhile to note.
particularly when he displays how different often an Arab leaders words are in Arabic versus what they say to the Western press.

How about you?

I’m about 6′ 2″ and handsome, thanx for asking… as far as my observational skills… they’re pretty strong. But thanks for pointing out how I mistyped Mr. Whitaker’s name… that was pretty important.

ARABS WALK AROUND ALL PARTS OF ISRAEL FREELY

This apparently proves something ground-shaking to yr mind. I’m not sure what it is. Jews I am sure can walk in Israeli Arab towns as well & before the Intifadas they could even walk through towns in the Occupied Territories w/o fear. What does any of it mean? Does it mean that Jews don’t hate Arabs or vice versa? Of course it doesn’t’ & only an ideologue like you could deny the obvious–that there is vehement hate & rage on both sides toward the other.

pointing out a few instances of Jewish violence

You think there have only been a “few instances” of Jewish violence? The instances I provided were but the tip of the iceberg. Someone could write a book about this (& probably has) there have been so many. You’re hiding yr head in the sand like a Jewish ostrich.

Since Oslo, there have been THOUSANDS of violent, indiscriminate attacks by Arabs on Jewish passersby, and a HANDFUL in the other direction.

That is false, an outright lie. There have been thousands of violent, indiscriminate attacks by Jews on Arabs. And I include in these attacks unprovoked violence & humiliation perpetrated by thuggish settlers as well as Border Police.

Yigal Amir supposedly proves that Jews are a “poisonous, hatefilled peope”.

If you want to make the argument that Palestinians are a poisonous hate-filled people you can be damn sure I’m going to ask you to explain Yigal Amir, Meir Kahane, Barch Goldstein, Natan Zada & countless other Jewish terrorists. If, on the other hand, you try to take a more balanced approach to understanding Palestinians that embraces both criticism of them and understanding of their suffering & need for justice, then no, I won’t try to force you to explain the Jewish haters who’ve made life miserable for Palestinians.

All I’m saying is that Israelis & Palestinians are brothers (& sisters) in sin. They have the same weaknesses & imperfections. They aspire to the same honorable goals.