If someone produced a video of Obama beating a puppy, Obama supporters would start up community puppy beating clubs.

Whew, we have a live one here. A real genuine Obama hater. Most people who don’t want him to be president at least try to be cool and laid back about it. Not this guy. And btw your comment quoted above is witless & dumb.

I notice that none of yr claims is supported by any links so how is anyone to verify any of yr charges. I detest unsupported arguments. Anyone can claim anything they want on the web. If you want anyone to believe you you’ll prove what you’re saying.

he lied about his association with the Reverend when the story broke

No, you’re the one who’s lying. Obama never “lied” about his association with Wright.

…which the Canadian government vehemently denies…

Another lie. Prove it.

The same way he lied, and continues to lie about his association with Tony Rezko

What is the lie? You can’t spout slogans here.

Save me from yourselves.

You better pack a few bags in case Obama gets elected. You may want to move to a nice pure country where politicians are chaste and pure as the driven snow like Israel.

And tell me, if you’re not African-American how DO you learn what African-Americans feel and believe if you don’t attempt to do research & talk to them. Are there some magical means of inter-ethnic communication you possess that you’d wish to pass on to the rest of us?

I do like Obama but am concerned about his relationship with Mr. Wright nonetheless. However, I will likely vote for him.
The fact that his Reverend apparently likes Mr. Farrakhan and Ghadaffi combined with his over the top rhetoric is cause
for concern at the least.

As far as Mr. Silverstein stating he understands the black community due to his reading and interviewing African American people, that sounds rather patriarchal and yes silly.

I asked JC what particular knowledge he had about Black experience and tried to cast the net as wide as possible to allow him to tell us what he knew. You’ll notice he never replied which answers my question. ‘Nuff said.

JC accuses me of believing I know “what Black people want.” Besides unintentionally echoing Sigmund Freud’s offensive complaint “what do women want,” (a historical echo that will undoubtedly be lost on JC), I sure as hell know a lot better what Black people believe than JC does. Especially since I’ve tried to acquaint myself with the resources available like books, films and direct conversation w. African-Americans. Has JC done any of this? His silence speaks volumes.

you actually feel you can speak for “black people”

No, I speak for myself. Not for Black people. These are MY views, not Black peoples’ views.

Joseph Lieberman

Since most of the names I raised were Israeli politicians I mistakenly assumed you’d understand I was referring to Avigdor Lieberman, not Joe Lieberman. But the latter too is an Israel Firster of the first order. Though Joe isn’t quite as racist as Avigdor.

JC: What do you know about African Americans? Do tell us. Have you ever read a book about the Black experience in America? Have you ever read a book about slavery? Have you ever even watched a PBS documentary about Black history? Ever taken a college course on any such subject? I thought not. You’re an ignorant inarticulate wingnut wretch.

That’s your reply… to call me names and intimate things about me, my experience, friends and knowledge of which you surely know not a single iota. But that would be typical of the far left, for you assume, lest you feel you know in your heart of hearts that only you as an “enlightened” self-annointed expert can not only identify but tell people what black people as a group want, feel and know…. It’s so ridiculously laughable it’s cartoonesque.

African Americans have a lot of problems with white Americans because they’re been treated like shit here for a few hundred years. Do I like the fact that there is tremendous animosity toward whites among some African Americans? No. Do I jump down their throats as you do simply because they don’t have the same civil attitudes toward me that other white people without these experiences of injustice might have? No.

Amazing…. simply amaing that you actually feel you can speak for “black people”…. and while you give your version of a defense you perch yourself high up in your own mind moral superiority… The presumptousness is astounding!

Oh & btw if you know anything about Jewish history (which is doubtful) you’ll understand the tremendous level of ambivalence at best & animosity at worst toward Germans who caused us enormous suffering. Would you have the same problem w. a Jew articulating an “anti-German” view of the German state? I thought you wouldn’t. Perhaps because it’s YOU who’s the hypocrite.

More petty insults and assumptions. You like to congratulate yourself after making a gratuitous insult and assumption and then showing everyone yet how “smart” you in fact are.

these horrible terrible “Israel first extremists” would include let’s see? -
Netanyahu, Wolfowitz, Benny Morris -
You said it. And Lieberman, and Kahane, and Rivlin, and Mort Klein, and Malcolm Hoenlein, and Jewish Task Force, and extremist settlers, etc.

Just proving the point loud and clear.
Joseph Lieberman is not just the equivalent of Reverend Wright. no, he’s worse.. lol…
Wright is actually a man of “Justice and peace” while Lieberman, he’s the real racist monster.

Meir Kahane the same as Jeremiah Wright? YOu should be ashamed of yrself. You’re lower than the bone belly of a cur dog. Meir Kahane was a racist whose political movement was outlawed by the State of Israel and the U.S. government. His followers have murdered countless Palestinians. Who has Jeremiah Wright killed and which government has labelled his church as racist and terrorist???

They were both motivated by fear and hatred which they excused due to the injustices from the “others” towards their “people”… Spewing hate speech whether or not I don’t think Wright is the equal to Kahane or not aside, is worthy of serious condemnation… You show your true colors by trying to excuse, pacify and patronize when it comes to his hate speech…

You’ve had yr say & I’m sick & tired of yr vitriol. Do not post another comment in this thread. If you do I will ban you.

That’s funny, anyone reading this who sees your name calling, self answering arguments and insults is not viewing the vitriol from anyone other than yourself.

You can and will ban me, however, if you leave the comments up you’ll show you’re not nearly as petty and weak as your comments indicate.

Sincerely,

JC

modern day Israel is a Kahanist state?

MM: I’m not going to get into a knock down drag out fight about the nature of the Israeli state. Modern day Israel, like Zionism, is composed of diff. political currents some extreme right wing & some centrist & some left. Alas, there aren’t enough people sharing my views of the conflict but there is definitely a substantial minority who do. If it’s your intent to lump all of these Israelis together & say their entire national enterprise is genocidal & racist to its core–be my guest. That’s not my view & I really don’t have much to say to you since I have absolutely no sympathy for this perspective.

As for me, I wish to arrrive at a compromise solution to the conflict so I don’t denounce either side as unalterably evil. If you do, then you won’t be part of the solution to this problem. You’ll be able to rant along the sidelines about perfect justice & never have any influence on anyone but those who share yr ideological views (which won’t be too many).

Is my position 100% just toward both sides? No. Will both sides when there is peace come out on the short end of their dreams? Yes.

“black first theology” anti-white attitude

JC: What do you know about African Americans? Do tell us. Have you ever read a book about the Black experience in America? Have you ever read a book about slavery? Have you ever even watched a PBS documentary about Black history? Ever taken a college course on any such subject? I thought not. You’re an ignorant inarticulate wingnut wretch.

African Americans have a lot of problems with white Americans because they’re been treated like shit here for a few hundred years. Do I like the fact that there is tremendous animosity toward whites among some African Americans? No. Do I jump down their throats as you do simply because they don’t have the same civil attitudes toward me that other white people without these experiences of injustice might have? No.

Oh & btw if you know anything about Jewish history (which is doubtful) you’ll understand the tremendous level of ambivalence at best & animosity at worst toward Germans who caused us enormous suffering. Would you have the same problem w. a Jew articulating an “anti-German” view of the German state? I thought you wouldn’t. Perhaps because it’s YOU who’s the hypocrite.

Do tell us what constitutes Wright’s “black first” theology. Give us a single example.

I really wish I could debate you for real in a forum… man would that be fun… you’d be easy pickings.

Maybe after you learn how to string a sentence together we can enjoy that experience.

these horrible terrible “Israel first extremists” would include let’s see? -
Netanyahu, Wolfowitz, Benny Morris -

You said it. And Lieberman, and Kahane, and Rivlin, and Mort Klein, and Malcolm Hoenlein, and Jewish Task Force, and extremist settlers, etc.

the equivalent of a Rev Wright - Meir Kahane…

Meir Kahane the same as Jeremiah Wright? YOu should be ashamed of yrself. You’re lower than the bone belly of a cur dog. Meir Kahane was a racist whose political movement was outlawed by the State of Israel and the U.S. government. His followers have murdered countless Palestinians. Who has Jeremiah Wright killed and which government has labelled his church as racist and terrorist???

You’ve had yr say & I’m sick & tired of yr vitriol. Do not post another comment in this thread. If you do I will ban you.

It’s all the big game of defining and adjectives that one has to buy into else you too be an “extremist” branded by the PC Far Left police… you see there is no other option you’re a “baddy” or a “goody”….

Jews who love to show how PC they are with the black community and then assassinate anyone in the Jewish community on the right or the equivalent of a Rev Wright - Meir Kahane…
You’ll see over and over and over and over on this blog Mr. Silverstein making denouncing references to that horrible person Meir Kahane… (an extremist for sure) but yet look how he refers to his equivalent - Reverend Wright…. a man of “justice, peace and for the underdog” both espoused only being for your community and preaching a solidarity with your community and a fear and loathing of the “other”….