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		<title>By: Politblog.net &#187; Obama unterwirft sich Israel und dessen Lobby AIPAC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Politblog.net &#187; Obama unterwirft sich Israel und dessen Lobby AIPAC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 11:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ansätze. Im Februar traf sich der Kandidat mit einigen jüdischen Führern aus Ohio und sprach darüber, dass es einen Unterschied zwischen richtiger Israelunterstützung und falscher, übertriebener [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ansätze. Im Februar traf sich der Kandidat mit einigen jüdischen Führern aus Ohio und sprach darüber, dass es einen Unterschied zwischen richtiger Israelunterstützung und falscher, übertriebener [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 04:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t trust polls unless I know who did them; what the questions were, etc.  All I can say is that I&#039;m glad Americans are voting for U.S. president rather than Israelis.  As far as I&#039;m concerned Israelis haven&#039;t voted right since they elected Yitzhak Rabin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t trust polls unless I know who did them; what the questions were, etc.  All I can say is that I&#8217;m glad Americans are voting for U.S. president rather than Israelis.  As far as I&#8217;m concerned Israelis haven&#8217;t voted right since they elected Yitzhak Rabin.</p>
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		<title>By: bar_kochba132</title>
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		<dc:creator>bar_kochba132</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 04:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard,

I heard a poll reported on Israel radio (the &quot;Hakol Diburim&quot; show) yesterday where  they asked Israelis &quot;who would you rather have as President-Hillary or Obama?&quot;. (I imagine the polling was done before Obama&#039;s remarks about the Likud).  The results were
Hillary 62%
Obama 22%

So apparently Israelis ARE concerned about Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard,</p>
<p>I heard a poll reported on Israel radio (the &#8220;Hakol Diburim&#8221; show) yesterday where  they asked Israelis &#8220;who would you rather have as President-Hillary or Obama?&#8221;. (I imagine the polling was done before Obama&#8217;s remarks about the Likud).  The results were<br />
Hillary 62%<br />
Obama 22%</p>
<p>So apparently Israelis ARE concerned about Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 05:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;believe me nobody takes direction from Israel.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
AIPAC certainly doesn&#039;t take direction fr. the Israeli gov&#039;t.  But it is profoundly influenced by certain sectors of the Israeli political scene--the far-right nationalists &amp; Likud which are farther to the right than the Israeli gov&#039;t--at least the current one.  If Netanyahu wins the next election then AIPAC WILL be taking direction fr. Israel; or at least doing Netanyahu&#039;s bidding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>believe me nobody takes direction from Israel.</p></blockquote>
<p>AIPAC certainly doesn&#8217;t take direction fr. the Israeli gov&#8217;t.  But it is profoundly influenced by certain sectors of the Israeli political scene&#8211;the far-right nationalists &#038; Likud which are farther to the right than the Israeli gov&#8217;t&#8211;at least the current one.  If Netanyahu wins the next election then AIPAC WILL be taking direction fr. Israel; or at least doing Netanyahu&#8217;s bidding.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 04:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I believe you are going to see a strong reaction to this&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Indeed there will be...fr. you, Rosner &amp; the Likud.  That&#039;s it.  No one else in Israel will give a crap, nor should they.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Most Israelis, as you yourself have admitted, do not view your ideas for what Israeli policy should be as representing their viewpoints&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That&#039;s preposterous &amp; I&#039;ve said just the opposite.  The majority of my views are accepted by the majority of Israelis.
&lt;blockquote&gt;if Obama is adopting them&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I assure you Obama is not &quot;adopting my views.&quot;  His views are his own &amp; influenced by his own view of the conflict.  As president, he will implement a policy close to Bill Clinton&#039;s with some nuances perhaps.  This will annoy you no end no doubt.  But you are a supporter of the settler movement &amp; yr views are by no means representative of the avg. Israeli.  Obama&#039;s policies will be acceptable to the majority of Israelis.
&lt;blockquote&gt;I am becoming more convinced daily that Obama will not be able to win against McCain.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Being the respected political observer you are I accord you utmost deference &amp; whatever you predict will undoubtedly happen.  From yr mouth to God&#039;s ears, as it were (!).
&lt;blockquote&gt;Hillary also criticized him for apparently saying that he was [sic] “unconditional engagement” with countries like Syria and Iran.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
As usual, you mangle reality.  What Obama said was that he was in favor of talks with Iran &amp; Syria &quot;without preconditions.&quot;  He did not say he was in favor of &quot;unconditional engagement&quot; &amp; I don&#039;t even know what this means.
&lt;blockquote&gt;a Jimmy Carter-like policy of appeasement of hostile regimes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Aw c&#039;mon.  You&#039;re full of hot air.  His policy will be similar to Clinton&#039;s as I already wrote.  Except for a few disastrous mistakes like Rwanda &amp; not pursuing Bin Laden muscularly, Clinton&#039;s foreign policy was first-rate; as will be Obama&#039;s if he is elected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I believe you are going to see a strong reaction to this</p></blockquote>
<p>Indeed there will be&#8230;fr. you, Rosner &#038; the Likud.  That&#8217;s it.  No one else in Israel will give a crap, nor should they.</p>
<blockquote><p>Most Israelis, as you yourself have admitted, do not view your ideas for what Israeli policy should be as representing their viewpoints</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s preposterous &#038; I&#8217;ve said just the opposite.  The majority of my views are accepted by the majority of Israelis.</p>
<blockquote><p>if Obama is adopting them</p></blockquote>
<p>I assure you Obama is not &#8220;adopting my views.&#8221;  His views are his own &#038; influenced by his own view of the conflict.  As president, he will implement a policy close to Bill Clinton&#8217;s with some nuances perhaps.  This will annoy you no end no doubt.  But you are a supporter of the settler movement &#038; yr views are by no means representative of the avg. Israeli.  Obama&#8217;s policies will be acceptable to the majority of Israelis.</p>
<blockquote><p>I am becoming more convinced daily that Obama will not be able to win against McCain.</p></blockquote>
<p>Being the respected political observer you are I accord you utmost deference &#038; whatever you predict will undoubtedly happen.  From yr mouth to God&#8217;s ears, as it were (!).</p>
<blockquote><p>Hillary also criticized him for apparently saying that he was [sic] “unconditional engagement” with countries like Syria and Iran.</p></blockquote>
<p>As usual, you mangle reality.  What Obama said was that he was in favor of talks with Iran &#038; Syria &#8220;without preconditions.&#8221;  He did not say he was in favor of &#8220;unconditional engagement&#8221; &#038; I don&#8217;t even know what this means.</p>
<blockquote><p>a Jimmy Carter-like policy of appeasement of hostile regimes.</p></blockquote>
<p>Aw c&#8217;mon.  You&#8217;re full of hot air.  His policy will be similar to Clinton&#8217;s as I already wrote.  Except for a few disastrous mistakes like Rwanda &#038; not pursuing Bin Laden muscularly, Clinton&#8217;s foreign policy was first-rate; as will be Obama&#8217;s if he is elected.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 04:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;two of AIPAC’s high ranking members&lt;/blockquote&gt;
They were staff members and not the highest ranking though not the lowest either.
&lt;blockquote&gt;our Zionist/Corporate controlled media.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Oh God...must we go there?  This borders on hysteria.
&lt;blockquote&gt;the Mossad spies that followed the hijackers around the United States in the year before 9/11. 9/11 of course made the Iraq war for Israel all possible.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
How dreary.  Are you channeling Ward Churchill?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>two of AIPAC’s high ranking members</p></blockquote>
<p>They were staff members and not the highest ranking though not the lowest either.</p>
<blockquote><p>our Zionist/Corporate controlled media.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh God&#8230;must we go there?  This borders on hysteria.</p>
<blockquote><p>the Mossad spies that followed the hijackers around the United States in the year before 9/11. 9/11 of course made the Iraq war for Israel all possible.</p></blockquote>
<p>How dreary.  Are you channeling Ward Churchill?</p>
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		<title>By: americangoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>americangoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: ethnic lobbies in USA.
I have spoken to Mr. Silverstein re: my views of ethnic lobbies lobbying for the benefit of a foreign government.
Let me just say that we have agreed to disagree :-)

And by ethnic lobbies, I do not mean just AIPAC - there is the very powerful Cuban Exiles lobby which has been exerting very effective pressure on US politics about their single issue interest - Cuba economic blockade.

While it is true that it is legal, and Mr. Silverstein and Mr. Scott Ritter believe in the freedom of speech taken to the extreme of lobbying on behalf of a foreign government, I do not.

My personal view.

Re: AG
AmericanGoy is my calling card - *I* call myself that.
Feel free to google me.

Cheers everybody!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: ethnic lobbies in USA.<br />
I have spoken to Mr. Silverstein re: my views of ethnic lobbies lobbying for the benefit of a foreign government.<br />
Let me just say that we have agreed to disagree :-)</p>
<p>And by ethnic lobbies, I do not mean just AIPAC &#8211; there is the very powerful Cuban Exiles lobby which has been exerting very effective pressure on US politics about their single issue interest &#8211; Cuba economic blockade.</p>
<p>While it is true that it is legal, and Mr. Silverstein and Mr. Scott Ritter believe in the freedom of speech taken to the extreme of lobbying on behalf of a foreign government, I do not.</p>
<p>My personal view.</p>
<p>Re: AG<br />
AmericanGoy is my calling card &#8211; *I* call myself that.<br />
Feel free to google me.</p>
<p>Cheers everybody!</p>
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		<title>By: liberal white boy</title>
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		<dc:creator>liberal white boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seeing as how two of AIPAC&#039;s high ranking members will soon be tried for espionage, I think American Goy may have some legitimate concerns about this treasonous organization and  its treasonous membership. There is no doubt that money and particularly Zionist money has become too important in our political process. Especially without any real srutiny from our Zionist/Corporate controlled media. This Lobby is why there was no meaningful investigation of the Mossad spies that followed the hijackers around the United States in the year before 9/11. 9/11 of course made the Iraq war for Israel all possible. Had Iraq gone alittle better I&#039;m sure we would already be at war for Israel in Iran. Did you see all those yapping Zionists talking heads on cable news after the NIE report was released. Those were all Zionist members of AIPAC also. I sure of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seeing as how two of AIPAC&#8217;s high ranking members will soon be tried for espionage, I think American Goy may have some legitimate concerns about this treasonous organization and  its treasonous membership. There is no doubt that money and particularly Zionist money has become too important in our political process. Especially without any real srutiny from our Zionist/Corporate controlled media. This Lobby is why there was no meaningful investigation of the Mossad spies that followed the hijackers around the United States in the year before 9/11. 9/11 of course made the Iraq war for Israel all possible. Had Iraq gone alittle better I&#8217;m sure we would already be at war for Israel in Iran. Did you see all those yapping Zionists talking heads on cable news after the NIE report was released. Those were all Zionist members of AIPAC also. I sure of it.</p>
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