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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Amir that the quotation from Joachim&#039;s blog is unconscionable.  Joachim, you are put on notice that your above comment will be your last one on this subject.  Move on to a different post here &amp; a diff. subject.  I ask you to follow the rules as I explain them to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Amir that the quotation from Joachim&#8217;s blog is unconscionable.  Joachim, you are put on notice that your above comment will be your last one on this subject.  Move on to a different post here &#038; a diff. subject.  I ask you to follow the rules as I explain them to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Joachim Martillo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joachim Martillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if one can understand why Central and Eastern Europeans hated and feared Jews in general during the 20s and 30s, it does not mean that one considers mass murder of Jews justified.

I believe I can also explain why Soviet ethnic Ashkenazi commissars believed the Ukrainian peasantry were animals that only understood the gun or whip. It does not mean that I consider the brutality directed against Ukrainian peasants to have been justified.

This type of historical process is active at all times. If we want to stop it, we have to understand it.

The NY Times approach &quot;(1) We know that Jews are disproportionately represented among Soviet mass murderers and genocidaires. (2) We will have Walter Duranty lie about it&quot; simply does not work. 

The Times then continued this stupidity by burying stories about mass murders of Jews during WW2 (see Buried by the Times by Laura Leff).

Nowadays the Times and its columnists like Thomas Friedman consistently misreport and misanalyse Palestine [link deleted] and the ME in general to the harm of Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims, the USA and the world.

We have to understand processes that turn people in mass murderers and avoiding reporting the facts (as the Times has consistently done for nearly 100 years -- actually more if one reviews the Times coverage of the Sudanese Mahdi in the 19th century) makes understanding impossible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if one can understand why Central and Eastern Europeans hated and feared Jews in general during the 20s and 30s, it does not mean that one considers mass murder of Jews justified.</p>
<p>I believe I can also explain why Soviet ethnic Ashkenazi commissars believed the Ukrainian peasantry were animals that only understood the gun or whip. It does not mean that I consider the brutality directed against Ukrainian peasants to have been justified.</p>
<p>This type of historical process is active at all times. If we want to stop it, we have to understand it.</p>
<p>The NY Times approach &#8220;(1) We know that Jews are disproportionately represented among Soviet mass murderers and genocidaires. (2) We will have Walter Duranty lie about it&#8221; simply does not work. </p>
<p>The Times then continued this stupidity by burying stories about mass murders of Jews during WW2 (see Buried by the Times by Laura Leff).</p>
<p>Nowadays the Times and its columnists like Thomas Friedman consistently misreport and misanalyse Palestine [link deleted] and the ME in general to the harm of Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims, the USA and the world.</p>
<p>We have to understand processes that turn people in mass murderers and avoiding reporting the facts (as the Times has consistently done for nearly 100 years &#8212; actually more if one reviews the Times coverage of the Sudanese Mahdi in the 19th century) makes understanding impossible.</p>
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		<title>By: amir</title>
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		<dc:creator>amir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would appear that Joachim is not always opposed to genocide. In fact sometimes it is quite &quot;understandable.&quot; From his blog:&lt;blockquote&gt;In short, we have to stop talking about the mass murder of Jews or ethnic Ashkenazim during WW2 as the most heinous crime in the history of humanity.  We need to recognize that because of historical processes since the collapse of the Polish Republic after 1648, ethnic Ashkenazim became a toxic minority hated for completely understandable reasons throughout Eastern Europe and Russian territories.  &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would appear that Joachim is not always opposed to genocide. In fact sometimes it is quite &#8220;understandable.&#8221; From his blog:<br />
<blockquote>In short, we have to stop talking about the mass murder of Jews or ethnic Ashkenazim during WW2 as the most heinous crime in the history of humanity.  We need to recognize that because of historical processes since the collapse of the Polish Republic after 1648, ethnic Ashkenazim became a toxic minority hated for completely understandable reasons throughout Eastern Europe and Russian territories.  </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could you tell me why you&#039;re not advocating charges against the current U.S. government for genocide against Native Americans?  And we can go back through history examining every genocide commited &amp; go on the warpath over every single one of them.  And shouldn&#039;t we call for the uprooting of the German state because of its treatment of those &quot;psychotic&quot; ethnic Ashkenazi Jews murdered in the Holocaust?

Unfortunately, one of the activities that human beings perform esp. well is mass murder.  It&#039;s happened throughout human history.  That doesn&#039;t excuse Israeli practice.  But places it into context.  There must be amends made for crimes against Israeli Arabs and Palestinians.  Though I eliminating Israel both will not happen &amp; would be compounding the original crime.

Joachim: I know how important these issues are to you.  But I warn you that I don&#039;t plan on exhausting myself or my readers arguing over them.  In other words, have your say &amp; let&#039;s go on to another subject.  I don&#039;t plan on making my blog a forum for discussion about genocide &amp; psychotic ethnic Ashkenazis.  That&#039;s why you have your own blog to discuss those issue to your heart&#039;s content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could you tell me why you&#8217;re not advocating charges against the current U.S. government for genocide against Native Americans?  And we can go back through history examining every genocide commited &#038; go on the warpath over every single one of them.  And shouldn&#8217;t we call for the uprooting of the German state because of its treatment of those &#8220;psychotic&#8221; ethnic Ashkenazi Jews murdered in the Holocaust?</p>
<p>Unfortunately, one of the activities that human beings perform esp. well is mass murder.  It&#8217;s happened throughout human history.  That doesn&#8217;t excuse Israeli practice.  But places it into context.  There must be amends made for crimes against Israeli Arabs and Palestinians.  Though I eliminating Israel both will not happen &#038; would be compounding the original crime.</p>
<p>Joachim: I know how important these issues are to you.  But I warn you that I don&#8217;t plan on exhausting myself or my readers arguing over them.  In other words, have your say &#038; let&#8217;s go on to another subject.  I don&#8217;t plan on making my blog a forum for discussion about genocide &#038; psychotic ethnic Ashkenazis.  That&#8217;s why you have your own blog to discuss those issue to your heart&#8217;s content.</p>
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		<title>By: Joachim Martillo</title>
		<link>http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2007/08/25/if-there-is-a-hebrew-public-school-why-cant-there-be-an-arab-one/comment-page-1/#comment-38520</link>
		<dc:creator>Joachim Martillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is article 2 from the Convention on Genocide ( http://www.hrweb.org/legal/genocide.html )

Article 2

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: 

(a) Killing members of the group; 
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; 
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; 
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; 
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. 

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Note that items a, b, and c clearly have applied to Palestine since racist Eastern European Ashkenazim began to invade Palestine for the purpose of stealing it from the native population at the end of the 19th century.

You can find my position on the relative significance of the Holoexaleipsis versus the Holocaust in...[link deleted]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is article 2 from the Convention on Genocide ( <a href="http://www.hrweb.org/legal/genocide.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.hrweb.org/legal/genocide.html</a> )</p>
<p>Article 2</p>
<p>In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: </p>
<p>(a) Killing members of the group;<br />
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;<br />
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;<br />
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;<br />
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Note that items a, b, and c clearly have applied to Palestine since racist Eastern European Ashkenazim began to invade Palestine for the purpose of stealing it from the native population at the end of the 19th century.</p>
<p>You can find my position on the relative significance of the Holoexaleipsis versus the Holocaust in&#8230;[link deleted]</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;we Americans fought a war over the abolition of the slave system...&quot;

This is a &quot;national myth&quot; that just isn&#039;t true.  Like most (all?) wars, the &quot;Civil War&quot; was ultimately fought for economic reasons; specifically, the South was not setting, collecting, and remitting to Washington tariffs at the rates that Washington wanted.  Had the South done this, then there would have been no war.  Whereas it&#039;s true that the end of slavery was a fortunate outcome of the war, that&#039;s not why it was fought. (Even if there had been no slavery in the South, the South still would have seceded for the aforementioned economic reason, and the war was fought to prevent that secession.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;we Americans fought a war over the abolition of the slave system&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a &#8220;national myth&#8221; that just isn&#8217;t true.  Like most (all?) wars, the &#8220;Civil War&#8221; was ultimately fought for economic reasons; specifically, the South was not setting, collecting, and remitting to Washington tariffs at the rates that Washington wanted.  Had the South done this, then there would have been no war.  Whereas it&#8217;s true that the end of slavery was a fortunate outcome of the war, that&#8217;s not why it was fought. (Even if there had been no slavery in the South, the South still would have seceded for the aforementioned economic reason, and the war was fought to prevent that secession.)</p>
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		<title>By: amir</title>
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		<dc:creator>amir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is absolutely no comparison between what is happening in the Land of Israel and what happened in North America. It takes quite an imagination to label the zionist enterprise genocide. But following the link on Joachim&#039;s name to his blog I&#039;ve discovered that he has quite an imagination besides being a Nazi apologist. Interestingally. RS deletes links to websites he finds to be &quot;uber-zionist&quot;, yet has left the link to Joachim&#039;s active so that I can only assume he hasn&#039;t gone to read his despicable webpage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is absolutely no comparison between what is happening in the Land of Israel and what happened in North America. It takes quite an imagination to label the zionist enterprise genocide. But following the link on Joachim&#8217;s name to his blog I&#8217;ve discovered that he has quite an imagination besides being a Nazi apologist. Interestingally. RS deletes links to websites he finds to be &#8220;uber-zionist&#8221;, yet has left the link to Joachim&#8217;s active so that I can only assume he hasn&#8217;t gone to read his despicable webpage.</p>
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		<title>By: Joachim Martillo</title>
		<link>http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2007/08/25/if-there-is-a-hebrew-public-school-why-cant-there-be-an-arab-one/comment-page-1/#comment-38495</link>
		<dc:creator>Joachim Martillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record, I live in an area that used to be a praying town, where native Americans settled and assimilated to English practices.  The name at the end of my chain of title to my property is native American, and the owners apparently sold the property to English before the expropriations associated with King Philip&#039;s war.

Israel supporters typically point to the history of the USA to justify their support for Zionist genocidaires even though there is no logical argument to justify Zionist crimes on the basis of historical misdeeds in N. America. 

For the first 87 years of the existence of the USA, slavery was legal and then we Americans fought a war over the abolition of the slave system. By the logic and precedent of US history, we Americans should now use military force to abolish the Zionist system, which is just as wrong as slavery.

I am not surprised that Gore Vidal recounts a story of Norman Podhoretz&#039; lack of interest in the US conflict over slavery and the American Civil War.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, I live in an area that used to be a praying town, where native Americans settled and assimilated to English practices.  The name at the end of my chain of title to my property is native American, and the owners apparently sold the property to English before the expropriations associated with King Philip&#8217;s war.</p>
<p>Israel supporters typically point to the history of the USA to justify their support for Zionist genocidaires even though there is no logical argument to justify Zionist crimes on the basis of historical misdeeds in N. America. </p>
<p>For the first 87 years of the existence of the USA, slavery was legal and then we Americans fought a war over the abolition of the slave system. By the logic and precedent of US history, we Americans should now use military force to abolish the Zionist system, which is just as wrong as slavery.</p>
<p>I am not surprised that Gore Vidal recounts a story of Norman Podhoretz&#8217; lack of interest in the US conflict over slavery and the American Civil War.</p>
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