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	<title>Comments on: Was Finkelstein&#8217;s Mother a Kapo?  Dershowitz Says &#8216;Yes&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 04:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I did not make the claim that Finkelstein is a revisionist.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
No, but you said the next best thing:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Finkelstein’s fellow travelers...from the zundelsite, a Holocaust revisionist website&lt;/blockquote&gt;
He isn't a "fellow traveler" of Revisionists either.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Finkelstein is benefitting financially from royalties generated by Holocaust revisionist organizations&lt;/blockquote&gt;
He can no more control who sells his books than he can control who takes his classes (at least while he still has a job that is).
&lt;blockquote&gt;If I were in this position, I would be uncomfortable, and take great measures to dissociate myself from these groups.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
If I were in Finkelstein's position, I might feel the same way.  But the pt. is neither of us is in this position.  He is.  It's his choice, not yrs or mine.  If it bothers you so much why don't you try writing him a nice, polite ltr. inquiring what his view is on this matter.  I've written him.  He takes responding to e mails pretty seriously.  He should reply.  Maybe he's even spoken about Revisionism in his work &#038; can pt. you to a reference.  But be careful, you may have to buy one of his books to read it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I did not make the claim that Finkelstein is a revisionist.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, but you said the next best thing:</p>
<blockquote><p>Finkelstein’s fellow travelers&#8230;from the zundelsite, a Holocaust revisionist website</p></blockquote>
<p>He isn&#8217;t a &#8220;fellow traveler&#8221; of Revisionists either.</p>
<blockquote><p>Finkelstein is benefitting financially from royalties generated by Holocaust revisionist organizations</p></blockquote>
<p>He can no more control who sells his books than he can control who takes his classes (at least while he still has a job that is).</p>
<blockquote><p>If I were in this position, I would be uncomfortable, and take great measures to dissociate myself from these groups.</p></blockquote>
<p>If I were in Finkelstein&#8217;s position, I might feel the same way.  But the pt. is neither of us is in this position.  He is.  It&#8217;s his choice, not yrs or mine.  If it bothers you so much why don&#8217;t you try writing him a nice, polite ltr. inquiring what his view is on this matter.  I&#8217;ve written him.  He takes responding to e mails pretty seriously.  He should reply.  Maybe he&#8217;s even spoken about Revisionism in his work &#038; can pt. you to a reference.  But be careful, you may have to buy one of his books to read it!</p>
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		<title>By: Melvin Schnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melvin Schnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did not make the claim that Finkelstein is a revisionist. I am making the claim that Finkelstein is benefitting financially from royalties generated by Holocaust revisionist organizations marketing his books. If I were in this position, I would be uncomfortable, and take great measures to dissociate myself from these groups. I challenge you and the contributors to your blog to find explicit denunciations of these groups by Finkelstein and more to the point, a refusal to benefit from royalties generated by Holocaust denial groups. If you can do so, I will shut up</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not make the claim that Finkelstein is a revisionist. I am making the claim that Finkelstein is benefitting financially from royalties generated by Holocaust revisionist organizations marketing his books. If I were in this position, I would be uncomfortable, and take great measures to dissociate myself from these groups. I challenge you and the contributors to your blog to find explicit denunciations of these groups by Finkelstein and more to the point, a refusal to benefit from royalties generated by Holocaust denial groups. If you can do so, I will shut up</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take yr pt. that Finkelstein's books are being marketed by anti-Semites.  But the fact is that Finkelstein is by no means a Holocaust Revisionist.  If one of these sites links to my blog (&#038; they have, believe me), I'm no more responsible for that than if a demented person read my blog &#038; decided that I'd directed them in code to harm someone (not a great analogy, but I've had a bug for the past day or so &#038; am not at my best).  In other words, the Revisionists are responsible for their own actions.  We are not responsible for those actions nor need we defend or explain ourselves.

You're playing a game that David Horowitz likes to play.  Because someone is favorably linked or mentioned by a supposedly anti-Israel or anti-Semitic website, this person automatically BECOMES anti-Israel or anti-Semitic.  This is preposterous.  Revionists have their own agenda which causes them to latch onto Jews who they view, for their own twisted reasons, as advancing that agenda.

In my case, I have tried to prevent anti-Semitic sites fr. accessing my blog &#038; told them that their attention was unwelcome.  But I don't believe Finkelstein has to do what I've done.  And in fact we don't know that he hasn't, as you yourself say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take yr pt. that Finkelstein&#8217;s books are being marketed by anti-Semites.  But the fact is that Finkelstein is by no means a Holocaust Revisionist.  If one of these sites links to my blog (&#038; they have, believe me), I&#8217;m no more responsible for that than if a demented person read my blog &#038; decided that I&#8217;d directed them in code to harm someone (not a great analogy, but I&#8217;ve had a bug for the past day or so &#038; am not at my best).  In other words, the Revisionists are responsible for their own actions.  We are not responsible for those actions nor need we defend or explain ourselves.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re playing a game that David Horowitz likes to play.  Because someone is favorably linked or mentioned by a supposedly anti-Israel or anti-Semitic website, this person automatically BECOMES anti-Israel or anti-Semitic.  This is preposterous.  Revionists have their own agenda which causes them to latch onto Jews who they view, for their own twisted reasons, as advancing that agenda.</p>
<p>In my case, I have tried to prevent anti-Semitic sites fr. accessing my blog &#038; told them that their attention was unwelcome.  But I don&#8217;t believe Finkelstein has to do what I&#8217;ve done.  And in fact we don&#8217;t know that he hasn&#8217;t, as you yourself say.</p>
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		<title>By: Melvin Schnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melvin Schnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you dont mind me posting links to explicitly anti-semitic websites, the urls below demonstrate that anti-semitic organizations are marketing Finkelstein's books. Without an explicit denunciation from Finkelstein himself, one could argue that Finkelstein benefits from these sales thru royalties. I cannot state for certain whether Finkelstein has denounced these groups, but I have been unable to find it

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you dont mind me posting links to explicitly anti-semitic websites, the urls below demonstrate that anti-semitic organizations are marketing Finkelstein&#8217;s books. Without an explicit denunciation from Finkelstein himself, one could argue that Finkelstein benefits from these sales thru royalties. I cannot state for certain whether Finkelstein has denounced these groups, but I have been unable to find it</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 04:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not that I don't believe you but...you'll have to provide me links before I believe any of those sites promote his book.  Second, I simply don't believe Finkelstein has never condemned Holocaust revisionists.  That's simply not a credible statement.  I'm not going to spend a whole lot of time trying to find such a condemnation since I don't know Finkelstein's work well enough to find this easily.  But I simply do not accept this statement.

Finkelstein does not claim that the Holocaust did not happen nor does he minimize the enormity of the loss or the suffering.  His work on the Holocaust is in an entirely diff. vein than that of Revisionists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that I don&#8217;t believe you but&#8230;you&#8217;ll have to provide me links before I believe any of those sites promote his book.  Second, I simply don&#8217;t believe Finkelstein has never condemned Holocaust revisionists.  That&#8217;s simply not a credible statement.  I&#8217;m not going to spend a whole lot of time trying to find such a condemnation since I don&#8217;t know Finkelstein&#8217;s work well enough to find this easily.  But I simply do not accept this statement.</p>
<p>Finkelstein does not claim that the Holocaust did not happen nor does he minimize the enormity of the loss or the suffering.  His work on the Holocaust is in an entirely diff. vein than that of Revisionists.</p>
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		<title>By: Melvin Schnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melvin Schnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>-Let’s just say that many who read Finkelstein’s book find his claims entirely credible.
If I had tried to palm that off on you, you would have gone ballistic. Safe to say, many who hate Israel find Finkelstein's claims entirely credible. What disturbs me more is that while Finkelstein may claim that he cannot control the distribution of his books by Holocaust revisionist websites (Institute of Historical Review, Noontide Press, Aryan nations), he has never explicitly condemned these organizations. 
This quote from Ingid Rimland appears on Finkelstein's website
Finkelstein "The Jewish David Irving" -- a reference to the notorious Holocaust denier and Jew-hater who recently lost a defamation suit in England</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>-Let’s just say that many who read Finkelstein’s book find his claims entirely credible.<br />
If I had tried to palm that off on you, you would have gone ballistic. Safe to say, many who hate Israel find Finkelstein&#8217;s claims entirely credible. What disturbs me more is that while Finkelstein may claim that he cannot control the distribution of his books by Holocaust revisionist websites (Institute of Historical Review, Noontide Press, Aryan nations), he has never explicitly condemned these organizations.<br />
This quote from Ingid Rimland appears on Finkelstein&#8217;s website<br />
Finkelstein &#8220;The Jewish David Irving&#8221; &#8212; a reference to the notorious Holocaust denier and Jew-hater who recently lost a defamation suit in England</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finkelstein wrote an entire book documenting his plagiarism charge, &lt;strong&gt;Beyond Chutzpah&lt;/strong&gt;.  It involves the claim that Dershowitz, in his book &lt;strong&gt;Chutzpah&lt;/strong&gt;, lifted large portions of Joan Peters book &#038; that the latter itself was based on fraudulent material &#038; sources.

As for a confession, if Dershowitz were caught red handed murdering his mama he wouldn't confess.  So expecting a confession fr. Dershowitz is a hopeless proposition.  Let's just say that many who read Finkelstein's book find his claims entirely credible.

On the subject of Israel, neither Finkelstein nor Dershowitz are close to my views.  But let me say that the human rights lawyer of the 1970s also oddly going by the name Alan Dershowitz, who &lt;a href="http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:vRRXSSgIW4MJ:content.cdlib.org/xtf/view%3FdocId%3Dft709nb49x%26doc.view%3Dcontent%26chunk.id%3Dd0e6400%26toc.depth%3D1%26anchor.id%3D0%26brand%3Deschol+%22dershowitz%22+%26+%22Israel+yearbook+on+human+rights%22&#038;hl=en&#038;ct=clnk&#038;cd=4&#038;gl=us" rel="nofollow"&gt;championed Israeli Arab human rights&lt;/a&gt; &#038; wrote articles in Israeli human rights journals, would have very similar views of the Israeli-Arab conflict to mine.  In other words, there was a time when Alan Dershowitz once shared views similar to mine on the issues.  But that Dershowitz has long since evaporated into a wild-eyed parody of a stark raving demagogic buffoon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finkelstein wrote an entire book documenting his plagiarism charge, <strong>Beyond Chutzpah</strong>.  It involves the claim that Dershowitz, in his book <strong>Chutzpah</strong>, lifted large portions of Joan Peters book &#038; that the latter itself was based on fraudulent material &#038; sources.</p>
<p>As for a confession, if Dershowitz were caught red handed murdering his mama he wouldn&#8217;t confess.  So expecting a confession fr. Dershowitz is a hopeless proposition.  Let&#8217;s just say that many who read Finkelstein&#8217;s book find his claims entirely credible.</p>
<p>On the subject of Israel, neither Finkelstein nor Dershowitz are close to my views.  But let me say that the human rights lawyer of the 1970s also oddly going by the name Alan Dershowitz, who <a href="http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:vRRXSSgIW4MJ:content.cdlib.org/xtf/view%3FdocId%3Dft709nb49x%26doc.view%3Dcontent%26chunk.id%3Dd0e6400%26toc.depth%3D1%26anchor.id%3D0%26brand%3Deschol+%22dershowitz%22+%26+%22Israel+yearbook+on+human+rights%22&#038;hl=en&#038;ct=clnk&#038;cd=4&#038;gl=us" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:vRRXSSgIW4MJ:content.cdlib.org/xtf/view%3FdocId%3Dft709nb49x%26doc.view%3Dcontent%26chunk.id%3Dd0e6400%26toc.depth%3D1%26anchor.id%3D0%26brand%3Deschol+%22dershowitz%22+%26+%22Israel+yearbook+on+human+rights%22&#038;hl=en&#038;ct=clnk&#038;cd=4&#038;gl=us');">championed Israeli Arab human rights</a> &#038; wrote articles in Israeli human rights journals, would have very similar views of the Israeli-Arab conflict to mine.  In other words, there was a time when Alan Dershowitz once shared views similar to mine on the issues.  But that Dershowitz has long since evaporated into a wild-eyed parody of a stark raving demagogic buffoon.</p>
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		<title>By: Melvin Schnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melvin Schnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did Finkelstein indeed prove that Dershowitz had committed plagiarism? Establishment of plagiarism usually requires evidence of a work that was plagiarized and when confronted with that evidence, a confession usually results. If Dershowitz was found guilty of this, I missed it and hope that you will provide me a link. Even in the less controversial case of Joan Peters, I havent seen this. You have stated that you disagree with Norman Finkelstein. On the subject of Israel, is Finkelstein or Dershowitz closer to your point of view?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did Finkelstein indeed prove that Dershowitz had committed plagiarism? Establishment of plagiarism usually requires evidence of a work that was plagiarized and when confronted with that evidence, a confession usually results. If Dershowitz was found guilty of this, I missed it and hope that you will provide me a link. Even in the less controversial case of Joan Peters, I havent seen this. You have stated that you disagree with Norman Finkelstein. On the subject of Israel, is Finkelstein or Dershowitz closer to your point of view?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 04:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Accusing others of plagiarism is a serious character defect&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yr entire comment is bogus.  Accusing others of plagiarism is certainly no defect if you can prove it as Finkelstein has.  In fact, it is a service to the academic community in order to weed out those like Dershowitz who manipulate the system for their political-intellectual benefit.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Depaul didnt appreciate sharing billing with the Insitute of Historical Review, Zundelsite, Aryan Nations...&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Finkelstein has absolutely nothing to do with any of these groups.  Yr feeble attempt to link him to them is a calumny.  Do something like this again here &#038; yr comment will be deleted &#038; you possibly banned fr. future commenting.  Base yr arguments on fact &#038; not on cheap, false slogans.

YOu can get away w. that crap at LGF or Jewlicious, but NOT here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Accusing others of plagiarism is a serious character defect</p></blockquote>
<p>Yr entire comment is bogus.  Accusing others of plagiarism is certainly no defect if you can prove it as Finkelstein has.  In fact, it is a service to the academic community in order to weed out those like Dershowitz who manipulate the system for their political-intellectual benefit.</p>
<blockquote><p>Depaul didnt appreciate sharing billing with the Insitute of Historical Review, Zundelsite, Aryan Nations&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Finkelstein has absolutely nothing to do with any of these groups.  Yr feeble attempt to link him to them is a calumny.  Do something like this again here &#038; yr comment will be deleted &#038; you possibly banned fr. future commenting.  Base yr arguments on fact &#038; not on cheap, false slogans.</p>
<p>YOu can get away w. that crap at LGF or Jewlicious, but NOT here.</p>
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		<title>By: zed</title>
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		<dc:creator>zed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 01:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I can say (as a political science professor myself) is that if DePaul didn't have solid academic reasons for denying tenure to Professor Finkelstein, then &lt;a href="http://araratscrolls.blogspot.com/2007/06/professor-finkelsteins-tenure-case.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;it has very low academic standards&lt;/a&gt;.

If they had to go to justifications like "lack of collegiality," their case will be pretty easy to challenge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I can say (as a political science professor myself) is that if DePaul didn&#8217;t have solid academic reasons for denying tenure to Professor Finkelstein, then <a href="http://araratscrolls.blogspot.com/2007/06/professor-finkelsteins-tenure-case.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://araratscrolls.blogspot.com/2007/06/professor-finkelsteins-tenure-case.html');">it has very low academic standards</a>.</p>
<p>If they had to go to justifications like &#8220;lack of collegiality,&#8221; their case will be pretty easy to challenge.</p>
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