I don’t know what your position will be on these issues

I will never support a territorial claim of Palestinians within the Green Line. Though I do feel Israel must negotiate over the Right of Return even if it means providing financial compensation to victims & allowing a selected number (agreed to in collaboration w. Israel) to actually return.

There are oponents of the barrier in the press, in the knesset. Opponents of the barrier can petition the supreme court and win as they have in the past. They have free speech, they can demonstrate, make posters, newsletters, blogs internet. I

In every protest movement there are diff. sets of tactics used. Some are moderate, some radical. Some peaceful, some more strident. The Occupation is so evil & so necessary to defeat that I would never limit myself to a single strategy or set of tactics in opposing it.

I’m not generally in favor of law breaking & certainly not in favor of violence. I would much rather be sinned against than sinning. But when something is morally repugnant I’m not willing to take off the table direct-action against the Wall as exhibited by those who demonstrate in Bilin.

I wish I could accept that assertion at face value

I know we have disagree mightily in the past, but I always tried to think of you as someone showing basic good faith. The fact that you do not accept my assertion at face value indicates that you think I’m either a liar or two-faced. Either way, I don’t find that a good faith response which disappoints me. If I say something I mean it. If you don’t believe it it’s your problem, not mine.

your sympathy for the fabricated Hezzballah claim to Har Dov (Sheeba Farms) after Israel withdrew completely from Lebanon, causes me to doubt this this.

You mischaracterize my position. I’m not in favor of any specific disposition of Shebaa Farms. I’m in favor of RETURNING it. I don’t care to whom. But return it to either Syria or Lebanon as part of an overall peace agreement. And do it now rather than later.

I see that my superior reasoning has left you speachless.

Sorry it took me longer than usual to publish yr comment & my reply. I’ve been dealing w. “stuff” related to my blog including the Jewish Forward profile of my cyber-bullying experience. I’ll have a post out on that tomorrow.

do you not recognize that there are times when a government or military has lost control of itself & deserves to be reigned in by those who maintain a saner head?

Thank God, Chinese did this at Tianamen Square.

There are oponents of the barrier in the press, in the knesset. Opponents of the barrier can petition the supreme court and win as they have in the past. They have free speech, they can demonstrate, make posters, newsletters, blogs internet. I’m willing to bet they mostly come from affluent families. So they are not dispossessed or disenfranchised and they have access to all the tools available in a democratic society to protest and therefore there is no justification for them to engage in the illegal and dangerous activities like tearing down fences or confronting soldiers that they do. Your comparison to China just goes to show what a confused person you are regarding this worlkd that we live in.

If it had, you wouldn’t hear me complaining about it nor defending anyone protesting against it.

I wish I could accept that assertion at face value, but your sympathy for the fabricated Hezzballah claim to Har Dov (Sheeba Farms) after Israel withdrew completely from Lebanon, causes me to doubt this this.

Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat for a white man. Her Palestinian counterpart blew up the bus

That has nothing to do w. the pt. I was making which was that Israelis are legitimately protesting against a Wall which violates international law & illegally expropriates Arab land. That is an entirely proper form of citizen participation.

There is no more proof that the Wall prevents terrorism than that Hamas’ turning away fr. suicide bombings as a tactic has done so.

The barrier is a non-violent form of defence

I don’t consider a barrier built on land that is not Israel’s which expropriates the land of those who are not citizens of Israel & prevents tens of thousands of others fr. being able to earn their agricultural living as being “non-violent.” It causes great disruption among its Palestinian victims & could just as easily have been built on the Green Line. If it had, you wouldn’t hear me complaining about it nor defending anyone protesting against it.

This is deliberate sabotage of the important work the army is doing keeping away terrorists from my buses, shopping centers and restaurants.

Ah, now you’ve disappointed me. I thought I was finally going to get you to admit that peace activisits might actually be good citizens.

When a citizen uses their duly constituted rights to protest actions by their government that violate international law & even the norms & values of their own society, then this is not sabotage, but civic responsibility. Thank God my own fellow citizens did this during the Vietnam war, Iraq war & civil rights movement. Thank God the Catholics of northern Ireland did this during British rule there. Thank God, Blacks did this during apartheid era S. Africa. Thank God, Chinese did this at Tianamen Square. In ea. of these instances, people broke the law, were arrested, convicted & sentenced to prison–even died as well. Now, we look back on many of them as heroes of conscience. And thank God the Israeli peace movement does this in Israel & the Territories today.

Or do you not recognize that there are times when a government or military has lost control of itself & deserves to be reigned in by those who maintain a saner head? In our own Pirke Avot it says: “In a place where there is no human being, endeavor to be one.”

you provided links proving it. Thank you.

I’m sorry but you come across as a real jerk here. Someone was shot with a rubber bullet & received a brian injury. Because a rubber bullet caused the damage does that discount it?? I told you I’d only spent 45 minutes searching in Google & found scores of incidents of which I largely provided violent ones only over the last month. I challenge YOU to do a search going back 2 1/2 yrs to the beginning of the demonstrations & then tell me how manny were injured & how many seriously.

Better yet, I will contact those very same insidious, lawbreaking saboteurs & ask them for the numbers. Then we’ll see. And I’ll ask them to break out minor fr. serious injuries. And I’ll ask them to include any serious injuries to IDF troops. Then yr snarkiness will be given the lie.