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	<title>Comments on: Masada2000: Hate Bites the Dust Once More</title>
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		<title>By: gabriel corsetti</title>
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		<dc:creator>gabriel corsetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>israel shahak was nothing but an attention-seeker or a madman. in his books he says things about jews which are simply untrue and feed into the worst kind of antisemitic prejudice</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>israel shahak was nothing but an attention-seeker or a madman. in his books he says things about jews which are simply untrue and feed into the worst kind of antisemitic prejudice</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 05:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You trumpet yr clear-eyed view of &quot;what is,&quot; which is no more &quot;what is&quot; than any right or left view of reality.  Your views are warmed over Islamophobia and have absolutely NO connection to reality.  But hey, welcome to your world.  If it makes you feel good to display such ignorance go right ahead be our guest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You trumpet yr clear-eyed view of &#8220;what is,&#8221; which is no more &#8220;what is&#8221; than any right or left view of reality.  Your views are warmed over Islamophobia and have absolutely NO connection to reality.  But hey, welcome to your world.  If it makes you feel good to display such ignorance go right ahead be our guest.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Bright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray Bright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 05:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are two basic ways to approach reality:
1.	as WHAT IS and
2.	 as WHAT SHOULD BE

The “leftists”, the “rightists” are concerned with what should be.
However really only WHAT IS matters:
Palestinians hate Jews. Arabs hate Jews and the huge overwhelming majority of Muslims hate Jews. No, it is not nice. I also don’t like it, I, too would like if it was different, but the fact remains.
Additionally big portion of Europeans hold negative opinions about the Jews. In Eastern Europe anti-Semitism is still very virulent.  In the West European countries anti-Semitism is boiling among the Muslims who are supported by the local leftists. Again, this is not what should be, not what I would like it to be, it is just what is. It is true that among the non-Muslims of Western Europe and the USA majority is only moderately anti-Semitic. There are of course some people who are not at all anti-Semitic, however such individuals are relatively rare, as the very word “Jew” has a negative connotation in every Western language. In English “He is a Jew” means “He is cheap”. To “Jew someone down” meant to force someone to sell at lower price, etc. In other languages the anti-Semitic connotations are much stronger. 
So all this is reality, the WHAT IS. It should not be, but it is.

Now, all existing countries came to be by violence, in most cases associated with either extermination, expulsion and/or forcible assimilation of previous populations. This same mentality still prevails today. Again, this should not be, but IT IS.

Jews have been persecuted for 2000 years and have learned to thing about what should be and now they are facing a difficult situation. The only way to be equal to other nations is by having their own country. Yet, the only way to have a country is by violence. This applies to all countries.

Polish people relish the story of their hero King Wladislaw Loketek. who ethnically cleansed Poland from the Germans in the 13th Century. Czechs (Bohemians) ethnically cleansed Germans out of the Sudetenland. Greeks cleansed Greece of the Turks, the list goes on and on. Now all of these people are condemning Jews for wanting to have their own country. Of course it should not be so: In a better world, nobody should be bothered if someone is a Jew, or an Arab. In a better world there should not be any need for ethnic cleansing. However the better world exist only in the imagination of the “self-hating Jews”. And the poor idealistic, “self-hating-Jews” are setting themselves up for yet another holocaust, or another series of pogroms. Of course this should not be so, but unfortunately this is how it is.

So while I totally agree with the great dream of a better humanity, the reality is that unless Jews wake up and realize that they are living in the real world, not in the better world, they will again be persecuted, and this time they well may well perish forever.

And the paradox is that while everybody is telling Jews not to be strong and not to pursue nationalistic policies, when Jews do just that, strangely everybody respects them. Even the anti-Semites begun respecting Jews after they won the big victory in 1967. The very word “Jew” became less offensive. It became less associated with “weak”, and “coward”. 
All Jews benefited from creation of Israel, and from the Israeli victories. 

In the end, even the Palestinians suffering will end if the Israelis produced a major victory and thus ended the conflict. And yes, in the real world, (not in the better world but in the real one), peace is established by major victory of one party over the other, not through some “peace process”.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are two basic ways to approach reality:<br />
1.	as WHAT IS and<br />
2.	 as WHAT SHOULD BE</p>
<p>The “leftists”, the “rightists” are concerned with what should be.<br />
However really only WHAT IS matters:<br />
Palestinians hate Jews. Arabs hate Jews and the huge overwhelming majority of Muslims hate Jews. No, it is not nice. I also don’t like it, I, too would like if it was different, but the fact remains.<br />
Additionally big portion of Europeans hold negative opinions about the Jews. In Eastern Europe anti-Semitism is still very virulent.  In the West European countries anti-Semitism is boiling among the Muslims who are supported by the local leftists. Again, this is not what should be, not what I would like it to be, it is just what is. It is true that among the non-Muslims of Western Europe and the USA majority is only moderately anti-Semitic. There are of course some people who are not at all anti-Semitic, however such individuals are relatively rare, as the very word “Jew” has a negative connotation in every Western language. In English “He is a Jew” means “He is cheap”. To “Jew someone down” meant to force someone to sell at lower price, etc. In other languages the anti-Semitic connotations are much stronger.<br />
So all this is reality, the WHAT IS. It should not be, but it is.</p>
<p>Now, all existing countries came to be by violence, in most cases associated with either extermination, expulsion and/or forcible assimilation of previous populations. This same mentality still prevails today. Again, this should not be, but IT IS.</p>
<p>Jews have been persecuted for 2000 years and have learned to thing about what should be and now they are facing a difficult situation. The only way to be equal to other nations is by having their own country. Yet, the only way to have a country is by violence. This applies to all countries.</p>
<p>Polish people relish the story of their hero King Wladislaw Loketek. who ethnically cleansed Poland from the Germans in the 13th Century. Czechs (Bohemians) ethnically cleansed Germans out of the Sudetenland. Greeks cleansed Greece of the Turks, the list goes on and on. Now all of these people are condemning Jews for wanting to have their own country. Of course it should not be so: In a better world, nobody should be bothered if someone is a Jew, or an Arab. In a better world there should not be any need for ethnic cleansing. However the better world exist only in the imagination of the “self-hating Jews”. And the poor idealistic, “self-hating-Jews” are setting themselves up for yet another holocaust, or another series of pogroms. Of course this should not be so, but unfortunately this is how it is.</p>
<p>So while I totally agree with the great dream of a better humanity, the reality is that unless Jews wake up and realize that they are living in the real world, not in the better world, they will again be persecuted, and this time they well may well perish forever.</p>
<p>And the paradox is that while everybody is telling Jews not to be strong and not to pursue nationalistic policies, when Jews do just that, strangely everybody respects them. Even the anti-Semites begun respecting Jews after they won the big victory in 1967. The very word “Jew” became less offensive. It became less associated with “weak”, and “coward”.<br />
All Jews benefited from creation of Israel, and from the Israeli victories. </p>
<p>In the end, even the Palestinians suffering will end if the Israelis produced a major victory and thus ended the conflict. And yes, in the real world, (not in the better world but in the real one), peace is established by major victory of one party over the other, not through some “peace process”.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 07:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary Hughes: Yes, Bluehost may be owned by Mormons, but they apparently don&#039;t run their business with any concern for either Mormon values or their own terms of services which explicitly ban a huge amount of the repugnant material found at the site.

The site owner has now violated copyrights on my images twice &amp; Bluehost has just taken down the 2nd set of infringing images.  But the host doesn&#039;t have any compunction about accepting revenue from virulent Kahanists (wonder what Kahanists think of Mormons?).

I&#039;ve been meaning to write a post about Bluehost&#039;s actions in this case.  Maybe I will now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary Hughes: Yes, Bluehost may be owned by Mormons, but they apparently don&#8217;t run their business with any concern for either Mormon values or their own terms of services which explicitly ban a huge amount of the repugnant material found at the site.</p>
<p>The site owner has now violated copyrights on my images twice &#038; Bluehost has just taken down the 2nd set of infringing images.  But the host doesn&#8217;t have any compunction about accepting revenue from virulent Kahanists (wonder what Kahanists think of Mormons?).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been meaning to write a post about Bluehost&#8217;s actions in this case.  Maybe I will now.</p>
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		<title>By: mary hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>mary hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 04:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see the Masada 2000 site is up again,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see the Masada 2000 site is up again,</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 17:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good that Rykart is banned. But there are the Qumsiyehs, and the http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/israel/index.html
referred to Saifedean Ammous who sounds like Rykart.
The Palestinians are suffering. 
The Israelis are losing people.
A careful modification is needed.
The Rykarts on both sides are irresponsible. Nice propositions are attacked because these people are compromising.
The Israeli stand must include the option of a major compromise with the Palestinians.
Many Palestinians are not learning from the past, and they are accepting this twisted assistance from Iran, against the better interest of the Palestinians.
All Palestinians must reject the Iranian junta&#039;s interference.
All Israelis must reject the Merkaz Rav extremism. Biblical references to Zionism are wrong.
Jews had recurring major problems in Europe and Asia. Emigration was the only solution, and Israel is a the safe haven.
The Palestinians have to accept this historical development.
If the problem is discussed honestly, both people may develop a sympathy for each other.
This will be a secular exercise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good that Rykart is banned. But there are the Qumsiyehs, and the <a href="http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/israel/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/israel/index.html</a><br />
referred to Saifedean Ammous who sounds like Rykart.<br />
The Palestinians are suffering.<br />
The Israelis are losing people.<br />
A careful modification is needed.<br />
The Rykarts on both sides are irresponsible. Nice propositions are attacked because these people are compromising.<br />
The Israeli stand must include the option of a major compromise with the Palestinians.<br />
Many Palestinians are not learning from the past, and they are accepting this twisted assistance from Iran, against the better interest of the Palestinians.<br />
All Palestinians must reject the Iranian junta&#8217;s interference.<br />
All Israelis must reject the Merkaz Rav extremism. Biblical references to Zionism are wrong.<br />
Jews had recurring major problems in Europe and Asia. Emigration was the only solution, and Israel is a the safe haven.<br />
The Palestinians have to accept this historical development.<br />
If the problem is discussed honestly, both people may develop a sympathy for each other.<br />
This will be a secular exercise.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 03:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I guess I’m just not a progressive.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
What you are is an insufferable holier than thou moralist-boor.  Heaven protect us fr. the likes of you.

And as you called me a racist in yr last comment which will not be published here your comments will be moderated in future.

&lt;strong&gt;Update&lt;/strong&gt;: And your most recent reply to this comment shows you to be an insufferable twit.  That earns you banning from the site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I guess I’m just not a progressive.</p></blockquote>
<p>What you are is an insufferable holier than thou moralist-boor.  Heaven protect us fr. the likes of you.</p>
<p>And as you called me a racist in yr last comment which will not be published here your comments will be moderated in future.</p>
<p><strong>Update</strong>: And your most recent reply to this comment shows you to be an insufferable twit.  That earns you banning from the site.</p>
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		<title>By: rykart</title>
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		<dc:creator>rykart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 03:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Progressive Zionism&quot;   ?

Is that what you call taking pot shots at irrelevant and illiterate targets like Massada2000 while ever-so-gently urging Israel to modify its nauseating 60 year reign of terror in the region, (when and if they happen to get around to it? )

Well then, I guess I&#039;m just not a progressive. 

...can&#039;t please everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Progressive Zionism&#8221;   ?</p>
<p>Is that what you call taking pot shots at irrelevant and illiterate targets like Massada2000 while ever-so-gently urging Israel to modify its nauseating 60 year reign of terror in the region, (when and if they happen to get around to it? )</p>
<p>Well then, I guess I&#8217;m just not a progressive. </p>
<p>&#8230;can&#8217;t please everyone.</p>
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