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It took eight days, but Masada2000 is down once more. Unfortunately, the site’s Kahanist friends at Jewish Task Force didn’t realize that Bluehost (their latest webhost) was a Mormon hosting company and might be a tad offended at the pornography, nudity and profanity at the site. Maybe next time they should try to find out who hosts sites belonging to the Aryan Nation and American Nazi Party (if there is still such a thing) and ask to be hosted there. One thing’s for certain, they need a hard core host who doesn’t flinch at the 110 proof hate spewed there.
I’d like to thank Bluehost as a company and its CEO, Matt Heaton, for recognizing the danger posed by a site like Masada2000 and the suffering it inflicts on the thousands of innocent Jews it cyber-bullies there.
Tonight, I discovered an extraordinary article, In Defense of Self-Hating Jews, about Masada2000 by Menachem Wecker in Jewish Currents (man, that’s a blast from the past isn’t it?). It provides interviews with many of those featured in the S.H.I.T. List (Self-Hating and Israel-Threatening Jews) and most importantly it thoroughly airs and debunks the poisonous term “self-hating Jew.”
My wife and some progressive friends had recently asked me whether pursuing this site was worth the time it diverted from the truly important work that I try to do here. It’s a worthwhile question and even led me to write an e mail to a JTF forum member suggesting that I’d back off my pursuit of Masada2000 if it would remove my S.H.I.T. listing and if JTF would cease publishing abusive material about me. Then I spent 15 minutes reviewing what JTF forum members had said about me in the past week. Prominent among the comments were “kapo.” “fag,” and a wish that I contract cancer. I decided a sulha with these people was impossible.
And after reading Wecker’s story, it reaffirmed the importance of combating such Jewish hate. No one likes to get their hands dirty in dealing with the slime that oozes from that site. But if it goes unanswered and unfought, then the hate there has an opportunity to slowly seep into the mainstream Jewish discourse.
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Say what? Those who subscribe to evolution are “a tiny minority?” What are you smokin’? “Barred from political office?” What planet are you living on? You leave me speechless. I understand that the majority of Americans may be stupid enough to prefer to deny the principles of evolution. But you’ll have to do better than merely stating supporters of evolution are a tiny minority. Try providing a reputable poll.
You know, what cuts it or doesn’t cut it for you interests me very little. If you find my version of progressive Zionism worthy of disdain or repudiation that’s your prerogative. But I’d really rather you go elsewhere to shout yr slogans. I want to engage w. people who are willing to debate the issues without sloganeering or sneering. No doubt, there is strong evidence that Israel expelled up to 700,000 Arabs in 1948. No doubt, Israel has mistreated its Arab minority. No doubt these were and are heinous acts. No doubt, Israel must change in order to embrace its minority & become a true democracy.
I’m quite uninterested in what you think on this issue and what you feel Jews must do to redeem their good name. It’s the height of chutzpah for you to get on yr high horse & tell us how to proceed on these issues.
News flash! Palestinian society is just as racist as Israeli society. Only you are shocked at the racism of Israeli society. Many of us know about it. But unlike you, we do not call for the disintegration or extermination of Israel. I find yr brand of holier than thou anti-Zionism to be completely uncompelling and tiresome. You trumpet revelations as if you’re the first and only individuals to ever think them; as if many Israelis & progressive don’t already know about these problems and, unlike you, do their best to turn Israel toward a democratic non-racist direction.
The diff. bet. us is that you’ve long given up on Israel & the rest of us haven’t & won’t.
Well said Richard: “News flash! Palestinian society is just as racist as Israeli society. Only you are shocked at the racism of Israeli society. Many of us know about it. But unlike you, we do not call for the disintegration or extermination of Israel. I find yr brand of holier than thou anti-Zionism to be completely uncompelling and tiresome. You trumpet revelations as if you’re the first and only individuals to ever think them; as if many Israelis & progressive don’t already know about these problems and, unlike you, do their best to turn Israel toward a democratic non-racist direction.”
The Palestinians will get out of the mess when they get a decent leader displaying uncorrupted integrity, and reject all assistance from the Iranian junta .
“Progressive Zionism” ?
Is that what you call taking pot shots at irrelevant and illiterate targets like Massada2000 while ever-so-gently urging Israel to modify its nauseating 60 year reign of terror in the region, (when and if they happen to get around to it? )
Well then, I guess I’m just not a progressive.
…can’t please everyone.
What you are is an insufferable holier than thou moralist-boor. Heaven protect us fr. the likes of you.
And as you called me a racist in yr last comment which will not be published here your comments will be moderated in future.
Update: And your most recent reply to this comment shows you to be an insufferable twit. That earns you banning from the site.
Good that Rykart is banned. But there are the Qumsiyehs, and the http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/israel/index.html
referred to Saifedean Ammous who sounds like Rykart.
The Palestinians are suffering.
The Israelis are losing people.
A careful modification is needed.
The Rykarts on both sides are irresponsible. Nice propositions are attacked because these people are compromising.
The Israeli stand must include the option of a major compromise with the Palestinians.
Many Palestinians are not learning from the past, and they are accepting this twisted assistance from Iran, against the better interest of the Palestinians.
All Palestinians must reject the Iranian junta’s interference.
All Israelis must reject the Merkaz Rav extremism. Biblical references to Zionism are wrong.
Jews had recurring major problems in Europe and Asia. Emigration was the only solution, and Israel is a the safe haven.
The Palestinians have to accept this historical development.
If the problem is discussed honestly, both people may develop a sympathy for each other.
This will be a secular exercise.
I see the Masada 2000 site is up again,
Mary Hughes: Yes, Bluehost may be owned by Mormons, but they apparently don’t run their business with any concern for either Mormon values or their own terms of services which explicitly ban a huge amount of the repugnant material found at the site.
The site owner has now violated copyrights on my images twice & Bluehost has just taken down the 2nd set of infringing images. But the host doesn’t have any compunction about accepting revenue from virulent Kahanists (wonder what Kahanists think of Mormons?).
I’ve been meaning to write a post about Bluehost’s actions in this case. Maybe I will now.
There are two basic ways to approach reality:
1. as WHAT IS and
2. as WHAT SHOULD BE
The “leftists”, the “rightists” are concerned with what should be.
However really only WHAT IS matters:
Palestinians hate Jews. Arabs hate Jews and the huge overwhelming majority of Muslims hate Jews. No, it is not nice. I also don’t like it, I, too would like if it was different, but the fact remains.
Additionally big portion of Europeans hold negative opinions about the Jews. In Eastern Europe anti-Semitism is still very virulent. In the West European countries anti-Semitism is boiling among the Muslims who are supported by the local leftists. Again, this is not what should be, not what I would like it to be, it is just what is. It is true that among the non-Muslims of Western Europe and the USA majority is only moderately anti-Semitic. There are of course some people who are not at all anti-Semitic, however such individuals are relatively rare, as the very word “Jew” has a negative connotation in every Western language. In English “He is a Jew” means “He is cheap”. To “Jew someone down” meant to force someone to sell at lower price, etc. In other languages the anti-Semitic connotations are much stronger.
So all this is reality, the WHAT IS. It should not be, but it is.
Now, all existing countries came to be by violence, in most cases associated with either extermination, expulsion and/or forcible assimilation of previous populations. This same mentality still prevails today. Again, this should not be, but IT IS.
Jews have been persecuted for 2000 years and have learned to thing about what should be and now they are facing a difficult situation. The only way to be equal to other nations is by having their own country. Yet, the only way to have a country is by violence. This applies to all countries.
Polish people relish the story of their hero King Wladislaw Loketek. who ethnically cleansed Poland from the Germans in the 13th Century. Czechs (Bohemians) ethnically cleansed Germans out of the Sudetenland. Greeks cleansed Greece of the Turks, the list goes on and on. Now all of these people are condemning Jews for wanting to have their own country. Of course it should not be so: In a better world, nobody should be bothered if someone is a Jew, or an Arab. In a better world there should not be any need for ethnic cleansing. However the better world exist only in the imagination of the “self-hating Jews”. And the poor idealistic, “self-hating-Jews” are setting themselves up for yet another holocaust, or another series of pogroms. Of course this should not be so, but unfortunately this is how it is.
So while I totally agree with the great dream of a better humanity, the reality is that unless Jews wake up and realize that they are living in the real world, not in the better world, they will again be persecuted, and this time they well may well perish forever.
And the paradox is that while everybody is telling Jews not to be strong and not to pursue nationalistic policies, when Jews do just that, strangely everybody respects them. Even the anti-Semites begun respecting Jews after they won the big victory in 1967. The very word “Jew” became less offensive. It became less associated with “weak”, and “coward”.
All Jews benefited from creation of Israel, and from the Israeli victories.
In the end, even the Palestinians suffering will end if the Israelis produced a major victory and thus ended the conflict. And yes, in the real world, (not in the better world but in the real one), peace is established by major victory of one party over the other, not through some “peace process”.
You trumpet yr clear-eyed view of “what is,” which is no more “what is” than any right or left view of reality. Your views are warmed over Islamophobia and have absolutely NO connection to reality. But hey, welcome to your world. If it makes you feel good to display such ignorance go right ahead be our guest.
israel shahak was nothing but an attention-seeker or a madman. in his books he says things about jews which are simply untrue and feed into the worst kind of antisemitic prejudice