“Anything less than that is like saying that someone else should decide for me what I should think and believe”

That’s not the point of contention: if Mein Kampf was sold with pornographic pictures attached, what would happen? f the publishers were harassing or intimidating people, how much acceptance would that meet with?

Threats and defamation do not constitute entitlements under the first amendment; freedom of association does, however. If domain servers et al choose not to associate with Masada2000 then that would be consistent with the first amendement. It’s designed to be used as a shield, not a whip.

http://topics.law.cornell.edu/wex/First_amendment

If there are those that want JTF stopped and off the web, it’s not going to happen.

JTF is a repulsive site & I’m delighted it’s down. I’d be pleased if its host realized how disgusting it is & took it down. If that’s what happened, more power to the host. But I had nothing to do with it.

I do believe that sites like Masada2000 and JTF have a right – just like the KKK does – to express their views on the world wide web

I fully agree with you. That’s why their argument about censorship holds no water. They deserve the same right you or I have to express their views…as long as they can do that w/o using vulgarity, nudity, pornography, invasion of privacy, racist taunts, etc. to do so. There are some Kahanist sites that manage to do precisely this. Why can’t Masada2000 or JTF?

I find it ironic that when I point to objectionable elements of Masada2000 here that those pages get taken down by the site owner though no other objectionable pgs. get removed. That’s why I’ve stopped making pointed references to specific material there. If they truly wanted to clean up their site (& not just do the minimum to allow it to get by the webhost’s TOS) they would do just that.

I believe groups like Masada2000 and JTF (just like the KKK or any extremist group for that matter, and that includes radical Islamic groups, like radio-islam) are more dangerous when they operate in the shadow. I used to be on the receiving end of propaganda from such groups when it was distributed via email, from unknown sources (you would receive it from a “friend” who had forwarded it to a “friend”, who had himself or herself received it from “a concerned friend”, etc. Being able to point one’s “friends” to the source of the material they are unknowingly quoting comes in handy when addressing such propaganda. I do not think that such sites as Masada2000, JTF, or Radio-Islam can be suppressed, nor do I think that they should. BUT people should be made aware that they exist, and what it is they really stand for.

E. Johnson