i will also say this about the zinoist state of israel, they do have a very effective public relations department, and an extremely efficacious tool ( the anti semite tag) which they use to quiet or discredit anyone who questions their methods or actions. Imagine the drubbing they would get if not for the financial and propagandistic support which their fellow jews lend to them throughout the nations where they are scattered , the newspapers, periodicals , and though their collective efforts to silence debate, and formulate policy in those countries in support for israel.

the zionist paid a heavy price to get their state, they will certainly hold onto every piece of that land that they feel ought to be theirs at the expense of anything and anyone.

Why won’t you take up what is happening, what is being done by a violently racist state which claims to speak for you and for Jews everywhere?

You wonder why I “whale away on you” & yet you spout such ignorance about me, this blog & my views on the conflict. The entire mission of this blog is to focus precisely on this subject (though I again detest the propagandistic rhetoric of “violently racist state”). What have you read of this blog? Have you read even 1% of the 1,200 posts I’ve written, most of which have criticized Israeli policy?

I hear in your words an all too familiar rationale. “It’s not what it SEEMS when an IDF soldier punches a pregnant woman in the belly

“You hear what you want to hear & disregard the rest.” You don’t know me. You don’t know what I believe about any of the issues on which you so confidently project your own ignorant, uninformed, distorted articulation of what YOU think I believe. I don’t belive ANYTHING of what you say I do. Nothing. Not a single word.

I am not wrong.

I think in your heart you know that I am not wrong.

In my heart I know you’re an utterly ignorant bellicose fool who’d prefer to use a sledge hammer when a scalpel will do.

I’ve differed strongly with some of your points but can’t see where I’ve fallen to personal invective, of the sort that pervades your replies to me. If you want to say I don’t know crap about the holocaust or what Palestinians are suffering at the hands of the israelis, then fine. Guilty as charged. I’ve never been to Gaza and my Jewish family for the most part escaped the European extermination. Sara Roy is pretty familiar with both abominations and takes it as a calling to bear witness to what Germans, more recently, (and to our lasting shame), Jews, have done in the name of their respective “superiority.”

Easy enough to wail away on me. Why won’t you take up what is happening, what is being done by a violently racist state which claims to speak for you and for Jews everywhere? I hear in your words an all too familiar rationale. “It’s not what it SEEMS when an IDF soldier punches a pregnant woman in the belly, or points a weopon at a child and demands he bark like a dog. We have “security issues.” We are “combatting terrorism” we are “victims—eternal victims, struggling to survive in a world devoted to our destruction.” To cast out these myths, to make us see, to stop once and for all the unconscionable excuses for the “chosen people’s” cruelty toward other human beings, that is what jews of principle will unwaveringly, unbendingly insist upon.

I am not the one attenmpting through ethnic means to identify myself with Einstein or Heifitz. No—I don’t subscribe to that mentality, though there are many who do, who have gone so far as to say that this or that culture “never produced an Einstein” and therefore is deserving of the cluster bombs and hatred we rain on them.

I am not wrong.

I think in your heart you know that I am not wrong.

Did you read the Sara Roy piece I posted?: It’s heartfelt and extremely eloquent and Roy makes the comparison between Nazi behavior and the Israelis over and over and over and over in it.

Again, in yr shrillness you have completely missed the nuance she uses in making such a comparison. Here are two very important qualifications she makes in using the comparison which you would do well to at least acknowledge, if not observe yourself in yr own disputations on this subject:

It is important to understand the very real differences in volume, scale, and horror between the Holocaust and the occupation and to be careful about comparing the two, but it is also important to recognize parallels where they do exist.

…Israel’s occupation of the Palestinians is not the moral equivalent of the Nazi genocide of the Jews. But it does not have to be. No, this is not genocide, but it is repression, and it is brutal.

Instead of shouting, you should try a little nuance. Roy has mastered the nuance. You haven’t.

You leave me little choice but to slink back into my den of extremism, hatred and anti-semitism

You’re little more than a petulant, egotistical, self-pitying demagogue. I never said you were an anti-Semite (though you did). I said you were an anti-Zionist, which you are proud to be I take it.

that swamp of islamofascism

I don’t use the term islamofascist (again, you did).

Israel Prize Winner Yeshahua Leibowitz (who coined the term ‘Judeo-Nazis

You dare to compare yourself to Yeshaia Leibowitz?? Listen, when you have the brilliance, erudition and history of personal suffering at the hands of the Nazis as Prof. Leibowitz, then perhaps I’ll give you a pass when you compare Israelis to Nazis. Till then, you don’t hold a candle to Leibowitz & don’t deserve to tie his shoes.

Once again, none of the distinguished Jews you liken yourself to are or were anti-Zionists. So how precisely are you like them? All of you condemn Israel’s immorality and oppression of Arabs. I join them (though not you) in that. But none of them took the plunge into the abyss that you have by denying the existence of the state of Israel.

If such are the Jews you feel duty-bound to defend

More of yr stupid self-dramatizing histrionics. I’m not defending any of that. I’m merely expressing my disgust with the likes of you. There’s a difference though you of course can’t begin to grasp it.

April 11, 2007 @ 1:56 pm

Im afraid I will have to disagree that a state based upon religion is an anachronism. Look at the Jews of France and England-nations that are profoundly secular, yet unable to protect French and Brits of the Mosaic persuasion.

indeed! I’ve been reading of these awful pogroms lately in France and England. Terrible. 1930s all over again.

Thanks goodness Jews are safe and sound in the Mid East, surrounded by an apartheid wall, squatting on stolen land, brutalizing the natives and generating worldwide disgust with Jewry.

I feel safer as a Jew just thinking about it.