Comments on: Masada2000 Webhost Takes Site Down

By: Jerry

Jerry — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:44:36 +0000

I like the http://www.masada2000.org site because it provides you with a very detailed description of what happened. the maps are incredible. you cannot do any better to describe how the land was divided up between the jews and the arabs.

By: Richard Silverstein

Richard Silverstein — Thu, 16 Aug 2007 04:52:23 +0000

The last 1000 thousands years of Jewish history?

-Holocaust
-pogroms
-Inguisition
-Expelled

You forgot the Spanish Golden Age, Rambam, Spinoza, the Enlightenment, and if we go back farther the Babylonian Talmud. Propagandists like to exclude evidence that is inconvenient to their so called argument.

Some of the style of masada was little out there

Ya think??

You didn’t shut them down but I’m sure you’re happy with the end result.

Damn straight.

They hate all Arabs & Muslims ? No they hated those who attack Jews.

Oh please, there are 100 Muslims in the entire world (if that) who are pro-Israel sycophants and these are the only ones Masada2000 has any use for. The rest can burn in Hell for all M2K cares.

By: Gary

Gary — Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:41:40 +0000

“we lived for over 1000 years without our homeland and got along quite well thankyou”

Wow! The last 1000 thousands years of Jewish history?

-Holocaust
-pogroms
-Inguisition
-Expelled

Didn’t fare well during the crusades or that 2nd class so called protective citizenship in the muslim world.

Some of the style of masada was little out there and they needed to clean up the personal attacks but I have NO problem with them pointing out the lefts agenda and who the players are.

You didn’t shut them down but I’m sure you’re happy with the end result.

They hate all Arabs & Muslims ? No they hated those who attack Jews. Masada promoted the Arabs & Muslims that supported Israel. They had their links to their sites Which I might not of found although Tovia Singer has had the same folks on his show too.

By: Guess

Guess — Sat, 02 Jun 2007 11:31:58 +0000

It looks like some racists just never learn. Masada 2000, is back, get ready for more laughable nonesense!

By: Baruch

Baruch — Fri, 01 Jun 2007 11:08:42 +0000

Masada2000 is back. Shitlist has been renamed dirtlist.

http://www.masada2000.org/dirt-list.html

By: Richard Silverstein

Richard Silverstein — Mon, 28 May 2007 05:48:15 +0000

I notice that the posters are becoming increasingly intolerant of each others opinions

You want to talk about intolerance??? These are some of the hateful comments addressed to me which earned their writers permanent banning from this site:

1. Get of your high horse bitch.
2. Hi, self-haiting kike pussy, cunt, bitch , whore. Fuck you Islamic whore…
3. RICHARD SILVERSTEIN WHY NOT MOVE TO SAUDI ARABIA…THEY WILL TAKE PROPER CARE OF YOU. FIRST THEY WILL BEHEAD YOU AND THEN THEY WILL MUTILATE EVERY PART OF YOUR BODY…

You all have the nerve to talk to me about Muslim intolerance & hate. Well, look yourselves in the mirror. There is hate among Jews as well. So don’t get on your high horse about how absolutely shocking Muslim hate is. And get off it too about no one denouncing Muslim homophobia or women-hating. I don’t countenance anything Guess said on those subjects & have said so.

What the three Muslim and anti-gay commenters say above

First, there were only two Muslim commenters & second only Guess’ comments could be construed as anti-gay. None of the other commenters who defended Guess even mentioned homosexuality. THere comments were confined to the I-P conflict. Get yr facts straight & be more careful before you sling mud.

why does no one say the same thing to these three guys,

Have you even bothered to read anything I’ve written here?? Clearly not. Otherwise you wouldn’t be spouting such nonsense.

This post is not about homosexuality or women-hating. It’s not about Islam. Future comments, if there are any, should address the post. If they continue to be off-topic they may not be published. Anyone who wishes to denounce Islam has plenty of other places to do that on the web. Take those opinions over to LGF where they’re most welcome.

By: Jon "JD":

Jon "JD": — Sun, 27 May 2007 14:50:35 +0000

I have been reading the Tikkun Olam blog, different parts of it for sometime now, and I notice that the posters are becoming increasingly intolerant of each others opinions. I for one am in total agreement with what John G said. We can’t have 2 sets of standards for anyone. What the three Muslim and anti-gay commenters say above is just wrong–morally wrong–period. Unless we are all going to go the way of theocracy, you cannot have one group of people singled out for persecution. I am not gay and I do not think that has anything to do with this discussion. The question is: are we to be fair to people with whom we disagree? Or, are we going to condemn them the way, we ourselves could be condemned. I think it’s significant that the three people who posted anti-gay comments were Muslim. While this may offend some of you, it’s not different than someone attacking Richard SIlverstein because in some Jews’ minds, he holds unpopular opinions towards the state of Israel. Attacking someone because they are gay or Muslim or Jewish or female or whatever and then retreating behind your religious rights does not help convince others you are not extremists.
I have a few remarks that are specific for each commenter above:
1) “Truth” you say John is promoting “radical ideas and does not listen.” I did not read his comments as such. He proposes one standard by which we should judge. He cites examples, that I as a heterosecual American knew about from reading the NY Times most days. You may not like his opinions, but these are not “radical” ideas, they were things that happened to people in Muslim countries. Retreating behind the etymology of the word Islam means nothing, just as it would mean if an Orthodox Jew were to tell me the meaning of some Hebrew word and then went about behaving in the exact opposite direction of what the word meant.
2) to Ishaq mahmood, you write,
“If you agfree (sic) with sites like Masada2000, then you are racist. If you don’t like Islamic Law, then tough, don’t live in an Islamic country.” I’m sorry, again I agree with John D and Jane. You cannot have it both ways: getting to be enraged at one series of injustices and then beating the crap out of someone who wants those same rights for himself or others of an oppressed group.
I don’t agree with you, Ishaq, civil rights for everyone or no one is free. To me, this is basic.
3) To Guess, you write:
PS i dont live in USA, cos if i did, i would be American,. and to be called American is like being called a piece of bullshit.
It is great to be American. It is not Bullshit, it is honor and a priviledge Sir.

I would conclude by saying you gentlemen did nothing further your cause by attacking John or jane, and won’t help it by labeling people as ‘Zionist’ because they are of a disparate opinion. People here have the right to speak. John didn’t say one thing in support of Masada 2000, all of his comments were about injustice perpetrated towards gays in the Arab world. Instead of being human, and acknowledging that what he was saying was unfortunate, you detract support from your own argument. How? Because you see yourselves as only the victims and not the perpetrators of crimes–but you want Jews to see themselves as both..again, we have the two standards problem which hasn’t been addressed on this board in much detail. I know that when Richard and women were attacked by Masada2000, he quoted their anti-gay and anti-women epithets, why does no one say the same thing to these three guys, one of whom thinks being an American is ‘bullshit.’ I am tired of anyone who doesn’t agree with this ‘one standard for Muslims, one standard for the rest of us’ platform being written off as a right-wing extremist. This is just unfair, completely untrue, and injustice to a democratic way of life.
Like John, I am not going to respond to criticisms about Israel because that is not what I am writing about. If you want to defend the murder of another group of people, you aren’t my ally either.
To conclude, I am quoting from Guess directly:
“Perhaps you are gay yourself, but the Muslims are followng their religion in not allowing homosexuality. If it is forbidden in our religion, then in our countires, you do not do it. It’s just like murder or other crimes, if you do it, you get punished for it. Homosexuality is a sin in Islam, so it is not to be accepted. So stop acting for this ‘gay peace’ crap, and face the reality.”

This is why people are afraid of you

By: Truth

Truth — Mon, 21 May 2007 19:58:30 +0000

I totally agree with guess. It is obvious from that the situation is not so simple, yet it is complex. Radical zionists often aggravate the situation., and it doesnt help when the israeli response is severe. It only angers the Palestinians and causes further rocket attacks.
I strongly feel disagree with John, who claims ridiculous things. I personally know that Islam is a peaceful religon., The word Islam itself is derived from the word Salam, meaning Peace in Arabic. I think if we have people like who are John who are unwilling to listen to others, but claim radical ideas, then the world will never progress, and crimes committred by Israelis will go unnoticed.

Long live Truth! Long live Peace!

By: Ishaq Mahmood

Ishaq Mahmood — Sun, 20 May 2007 19:39:16 +0000

John, i cant rely be bothered to reply to you neither, because it is a waste of my time. But to keep it short and sweet, you can believe what you like. If you believe the lies told to you by the media, so be it. If you agfree with sites like Masada2000, then you are racist. If you don’t like Islamic Law, then tough, don’t live in an Islamic country.
In all, don’t talk about the situation in palestine as if you know it, becuase most likely, you have not even been there to see the reality, unlike some like me. So until you have been to Palestine and seen the terrorism commited by the Israelis, don’t bother talking as if you know everything.

So John, open you eyes and face the reality.

By: Baruch

Baruch — Sun, 20 May 2007 16:12:09 +0000

I agree 100% with Noam Chosmsky’s stance about freedom of expression but:
Freedom of expression concerns idea and opinions not defamation (or some other word…).

The shitlist is a defamatory page and therefore needed to be wiped away.
Making lists of your enemies and dragging them into mud is a fascist procédé.

Let’s talk with arguments and ideas, not insults.