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Richard Silverstein says:

May 7, 2007 at 11:51 AM

I consider myself to be a moderate and open minded person not interesting in persecuting anyone,…

I’ve got news for you–you’re nothing of the sort. You’re an Islamophobe.

Of course those actions are reprehensible and are criticized on the left every day and in many blogs including this one. But unlike you I don’t look to Islam as the root of all evil in the world. I look for evil where I find it & call it out. Evil enters our world from many sources and intolerance can be found in virtually every religious tradition. Blaming a single one for the world’s problems is beyond foolishness.

The left doesn’t owe you or anyone an explanation or defense of our views on this subject. You’ll single out & hate Arabs & Muslims regardless of what anyone else could say to you.

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John G says:

May 7, 2007 at 1:40 PM

Geez, Richard

Not only did I not call you names, but I gave lots of very real examples which I guess you deem ancillary (at best) to the greater good of not backing other Jews up. I am calling you on your bias as I see it period.

Furthermore, your assertion that:

The left doesn’t owe you (me) or anyone an explanation or defense of our views on this subject. You’ll single out & hate Arabs & Muslims regardless of what anyone else could say to you.

is ABSURD and YOU KNOW it. I have nothing against Muslims as individuals and have a great respect for the vast majority that I have encountered in my personal life.
This is clear: you do not like to address the double standards that are so glaringly offensive to free thinking people with more than 3 (functioning) neurons within their cerebrums. I’d like to add that you should follow your own proviso/protocol under the “Leave a comment” section. Calling me an “Islamophobe” is meaningless (not to mention ignorant) since you don’t know me and everything I wrote has complete basis in fact and could be checked out by a person on either end of the political spectrum.

By the way, where’s your response to “Guess.” This proves yet another writer’s comment to you that you (and those with your political slant, a clique I used to know too well) prefer to take down other Jews way way way before you approach a non-Jew in the same die hard, fight to the death manner, in which you will take on a Jewish person who thinks your position is biased, faulty, problematic, etc….
In my mind, Ann Coulter has her problems, but she has you guys nailed on not wanting to respond to legitimate criticism/argument. You don’t owe anyone anything, but you get to posit whatever you want without feeling the need to present a defense of your position or lack thereof. Personally, I don’t feel like I have that luxury when challenged on something I’ve said. Before you respond so defensively, you might actually try to think through some of the criticisms or arguments that different writers present on your blog.

BTW: Where are all of those criticisms you purportedly say the Left has written about on any of the things I previously mentioned in my other entry. You know the old adage, “hate is hate is hate.” The connection of state-sponsored and Arab-leadership inspired anti-Semitism to any of the other “isms” has yet to be described by anyone as far as I am aware (except perhaps in the Jerusalem Post) Since your breadth of knowledge clearly supercedes mine (by your age alone), please do share with us these links. I’d would enjoy reading all of these entries that you claim are out there.
You may condemn violence against women, religious minorities, and gay men, but you sure don’t condemn it with the vehemence that you would if that kind of disgusting behavior was happening on Israeli soil–which it ABSOLUTELY isnt, and if it is in isolated incidents, it isn’t STATE-SPONSORED, nationalized, and defended against with the impunity that the hanging of those two young gay teenagers in Iran a year or so ago. No one will respect your position unless you tow a straight line across the board on all issues. That’s Tikun Olam

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Fuckkapos reagheadkiller says:

May 7, 2007 at 1:56 PM

It is very said [sic] that Islamic terrorists have their assistants like you. I hope that you will pay a grave price for your treason if not on this world in the next one. Ilan Pape, Norman “horoor movie caracter” “Igor” Finklestein [sic] are spreading stench of treason. Hashem give us strenth to fight our enemies and there [sic] puppets amoung us.

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Richard Silverstein says:

May 7, 2007 at 8:20 PM

I hope that you will pay a grave price for your treason if not on this world in the next one.

Only the Joe McCarthys, Joe Stalins and Meir Kahanes of this world look for traitors among their own brethren & talk about damning their souls or executing them before Nuremberg tribunals like yr. friend Rachel Neuwirth. You are one pathetic specimen of humankind.

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Guess says:

May 16, 2007 at 11:08 AM

It is an absolute disgrace to see such pathetic comments such as by John G. Does he not realise that Homosexuality is forbidden in Islam, hence, in an ISLAMIC country, which folows the Islamic Law, they are performing actions against the law of the country?

If we were to consider Israels crimes, we could go on forever. Mr. Sharon, has killed thousands of people ever since he was involved in the military etc. Have we forgotten the Jenin and Nablus massacre. Have we forgotten the ILLEGAL invasion of a neutral country, Lebannon. Have we forgotten just how mnay people they killed there? Have we forgottem the attempts by the Jews to demolish Al-Asa. Or how about the beach bombing, where a yopung girls family enjoying themseleves on the beach were blown to bits!
Have you not heard of Sabra and Shatila, where 2750 civilians were killed, children shot dead, women raped. Do you call this legal?? If you do, then you are subhuman.

If anyone says that the Muslim countries ae bad, for quite honestly, following their religion properly, then there is no word disgusting enough to describe the illegal state of “Israel”
But no, of course, Israel is so peaceful and democratic.
IS IT HELL!

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John G says:

May 16, 2007 at 1:21 PM

Guess,

I don’t know why I’m even responding to you, but briefly: 1) anti-gay behavior in the form of violence is a crime in this country. Do you live here in the U.S.A.? If you do and think these despicable crimes are so great and just an example of Islamic countries implementing their ‘law,’ I suggest you move to any of the countries I mentioned in my previous post. My guess is that you, Guess, wouldn’t last too long in these “great” nations. According to the famous Pastor Niemoller, I’m confident that the “they” will “get to you too.”
Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. It is a country with its problems, largely caused by individuals who follow a political ideology similar to yours: break the law–die. Israel for all of its problems is a GREAT nation ‘guess.’
2) Why do you not address the other groups of people that are persecuted by the mullahs are their cronies: women stoned for reading a forbidden book–that’s against the law. I guess they should fear for their lives for engaging in that kind of behavior. That seems reasonable–in your f’ed up universe. Reading equals death. The Bahai having their sacred places of worship totally destroyed with wanton abandon–their crime, I’m not sure–BEING? And why do y ou go after the gay guys ‘guess’ is it because these are the least ‘important’ people on my list of Islamofascist victims?
3) The purposeful murder of children is never justified–ever–you got that Guess? Those teenagers who were hung, murdered for allegedly engaging in same sex activity who begged for their lives died because of people who think like you Guess (FYI: Arafat was very kissy with the guys dont you think–oh no that’s ‘cultural.’)
4) The innocent murder or contriving of charges which your ‘great’ nations have conspired to do against the Jewish people in their homelands has been nothing less that full fledged slaughter and ethnic cleansing. I would like for you to take this opportunity and to reflect on how the people you esteem have perpetrated, planned, and gone about things quite deliberately to murder and eliminate all signs of a Jewish presence in their countries.

As for only one of your comments involving the very recent past:
“Have we forgotten the ILLEGAL invasion of a neutral country, Lebanon.”

Guess, maybe you should telegram your friends at Hezbollah (and their Iranian and Syrian supporters) to stop firing missiles in legal Israeli civilian cities from the Lebanon border? I am sure Israel would be pleased to live peacely within what remains of its own confines without having subhuman garbage “terrorists” fire rockets into the homes of innocent Israeli people. I think these folks have enough Jewish blood on their hands.
I’m not sure many Israeli soldiers have been raping women and murdering children; that’s way more the style that is legally permitted in countries you exalt for following their theocratically-based law. The only exception to this might be if Israel’s brave soldiers were to be lucky enough to catch these ‘people–the women and children that is’ before they committed another attack on Israeli citizens through homicide bombing–THIS IS ILLEGAL ‘guess.’ Where is your concern for the terrorism sponsored by Radical Islam against ordinary Jewish civilians. It’s not bad enough that you folks are murdering and silencing people left and right within your own borders. Listening to you makes me sorry I didn’t take up Shaolin more seriously

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John G says:

May 16, 2007 at 1:30 PM

By the way, ‘guess,’ I still haven’t seen one person’s response to your first statement–which I have to say, was markedly less disturbing than your most recent one–which tries to present history in a slanted perverse, altered bizarro universe kind of way.

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Guess says:

May 18, 2007 at 8:11 AM

Maybe you would like to explain John, why thousands of Lebanese were killed by the Israelis, wheras 300 or so Israelis died in the conflict. Perhaps you are gay yourself, but the Muslims are followng their religion in not allowing homosexuality. If it is forbidden in our religion, then in our countires, you do not do it. It’s just like murder or other crimes, if you do it, you get punished for it. Homosexuality is a sin in Islam, so it is not to be accepted. So stop acting for this ‘gay peace’ crap, and face the reality.

Also, i don’t know of any Muslim women being killed, as you claim. Perhaps you should read the Quran, and see how many times it tells men to respect women, and that they are equals.., es there are idiots who kill women for no reason, but THEY ARE NOT MUSLIMS!!! They say they are, but in God’s view, they are acting wrongly.

Don’t even start to go on about how the poor ‘israeli innovne tpeople have to leave their little homes because the naughty arabs have thrown a little rocket into it’. How about, the deprived Arabs have to flee the country because a big F16 keeps on travelling fast to create sonic blasts every morning, and becuase the israelis send in their tanks and randomly shoot whenever they feel like it. Or how about when they just send F16 in when the Plaestinians are a;lready suffering between themselves??

I have no problems with Jews, its the Zionists i despise. These fanatical ultraorthodox Jews who go round giving sweets to the soldiers in their tanks, who are surrounding small Palestinian villages and crusging their fields and olive trees. These zionists who claim they have a right to the holy land, where there is clearly a mosque built on the same ground.

If any one can support Isreal and its illegal actions, then they are subhuman, despicable and a tragedy. Perhaps they should go to the place themselevs, as i have done, to see the problem instead of chatting all this rubbish sat from their comfy chairs at home!

PS i dont live in USA, cos if i did, i would be American,. and to be called American is like being called a piece of bullshit.

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Baruch says:

May 20, 2007 at 8:12 AM

I agree 100% with Noam Chosmsky’s stance about freedom of expression but:
Freedom of expression concerns idea and opinions not defamation (or some other word…).

The shitlist is a defamatory page and therefore needed to be wiped away.
Making lists of your enemies and dragging them into mud is a fascist procédé.

Let’s talk with arguments and ideas, not insults.

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Ishaq Mahmood says:

May 20, 2007 at 11:39 AM

John, i cant rely be bothered to reply to you neither, because it is a waste of my time. But to keep it short and sweet, you can believe what you like. If you believe the lies told to you by the media, so be it. If you agfree with sites like Masada2000, then you are racist. If you don’t like Islamic Law, then tough, don’t live in an Islamic country.
In all, don’t talk about the situation in palestine as if you know it, becuase most likely, you have not even been there to see the reality, unlike some like me. So until you have been to Palestine and seen the terrorism commited by the Israelis, don’t bother talking as if you know everything.

So John, open you eyes and face the reality.

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Truth says:

May 21, 2007 at 11:58 AM

I totally agree with guess. It is obvious from that the situation is not so simple, yet it is complex. Radical zionists often aggravate the situation., and it doesnt help when the israeli response is severe. It only angers the Palestinians and causes further rocket attacks.
I strongly feel disagree with John, who claims ridiculous things. I personally know that Islam is a peaceful religon., The word Islam itself is derived from the word Salam, meaning Peace in Arabic. I think if we have people like who are John who are unwilling to listen to others, but claim radical ideas, then the world will never progress, and crimes committred by Israelis will go unnoticed.

Long live Truth! Long live Peace!

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Jon "JD": says:

May 27, 2007 at 6:50 AM

I have been reading the Tikkun Olam blog, different parts of it for sometime now, and I notice that the posters are becoming increasingly intolerant of each others opinions. I for one am in total agreement with what John G said. We can’t have 2 sets of standards for anyone. What the three Muslim and anti-gay commenters say above is just wrong–morally wrong–period. Unless we are all going to go the way of theocracy, you cannot have one group of people singled out for persecution. I am not gay and I do not think that has anything to do with this discussion. The question is: are we to be fair to people with whom we disagree? Or, are we going to condemn them the way, we ourselves could be condemned. I think it’s significant that the three people who posted anti-gay comments were Muslim. While this may offend some of you, it’s not different than someone attacking Richard SIlverstein because in some Jews’ minds, he holds unpopular opinions towards the state of Israel. Attacking someone because they are gay or Muslim or Jewish or female or whatever and then retreating behind your religious rights does not help convince others you are not extremists.
I have a few remarks that are specific for each commenter above:
1) “Truth” you say John is promoting “radical ideas and does not listen.” I did not read his comments as such. He proposes one standard by which we should judge. He cites examples, that I as a heterosecual American knew about from reading the NY Times most days. You may not like his opinions, but these are not “radical” ideas, they were things that happened to people in Muslim countries. Retreating behind the etymology of the word Islam means nothing, just as it would mean if an Orthodox Jew were to tell me the meaning of some Hebrew word and then went about behaving in the exact opposite direction of what the word meant.
2) to Ishaq mahmood, you write,
“If you agfree (sic) with sites like Masada2000, then you are racist. If you don’t like Islamic Law, then tough, don’t live in an Islamic country.” I’m sorry, again I agree with John D and Jane. You cannot have it both ways: getting to be enraged at one series of injustices and then beating the crap out of someone who wants those same rights for himself or others of an oppressed group.
I don’t agree with you, Ishaq, civil rights for everyone or no one is free. To me, this is basic.
3) To Guess, you write:
PS i dont live in USA, cos if i did, i would be American,. and to be called American is like being called a piece of bullshit.
It is great to be American. It is not Bullshit, it is honor and a priviledge Sir.

I would conclude by saying you gentlemen did nothing further your cause by attacking John or jane, and won’t help it by labeling people as ‘Zionist’ because they are of a disparate opinion. People here have the right to speak. John didn’t say one thing in support of Masada 2000, all of his comments were about injustice perpetrated towards gays in the Arab world. Instead of being human, and acknowledging that what he was saying was unfortunate, you detract support from your own argument. How? Because you see yourselves as only the victims and not the perpetrators of crimes–but you want Jews to see themselves as both..again, we have the two standards problem which hasn’t been addressed on this board in much detail. I know that when Richard and women were attacked by Masada2000, he quoted their anti-gay and anti-women epithets, why does no one say the same thing to these three guys, one of whom thinks being an American is ‘bullshit.’ I am tired of anyone who doesn’t agree with this ‘one standard for Muslims, one standard for the rest of us’ platform being written off as a right-wing extremist. This is just unfair, completely untrue, and injustice to a democratic way of life.
Like John, I am not going to respond to criticisms about Israel because that is not what I am writing about. If you want to defend the murder of another group of people, you aren’t my ally either.
To conclude, I am quoting from Guess directly:
“Perhaps you are gay yourself, but the Muslims are followng their religion in not allowing homosexuality. If it is forbidden in our religion, then in our countires, you do not do it. It’s just like murder or other crimes, if you do it, you get punished for it. Homosexuality is a sin in Islam, so it is not to be accepted. So stop acting for this ‘gay peace’ crap, and face the reality.”

This is why people are afraid of you

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Richard Silverstein says:

May 27, 2007 at 9:48 PM

I notice that the posters are becoming increasingly intolerant of each others opinions

You want to talk about intolerance??? These are some of the hateful comments addressed to me which earned their writers permanent banning from this site:

1. Get of your high horse bitch.
2. Hi, self-haiting kike pussy, cunt, bitch , whore. Fuck you Islamic whore…
3. RICHARD SILVERSTEIN WHY NOT MOVE TO SAUDI ARABIA…THEY WILL TAKE PROPER CARE OF YOU. FIRST THEY WILL BEHEAD YOU AND THEN THEY WILL MUTILATE EVERY PART OF YOUR BODY…

You all have the nerve to talk to me about Muslim intolerance & hate. Well, look yourselves in the mirror. There is hate among Jews as well. So don’t get on your high horse about how absolutely shocking Muslim hate is. And get off it too about no one denouncing Muslim homophobia or women-hating. I don’t countenance anything Guess said on those subjects & have said so.

What the three Muslim and anti-gay commenters say above

First, there were only two Muslim commenters & second only Guess’ comments could be construed as anti-gay. None of the other commenters who defended Guess even mentioned homosexuality. THere comments were confined to the I-P conflict. Get yr facts straight & be more careful before you sling mud.

why does no one say the same thing to these three guys,

Have you even bothered to read anything I’ve written here?? Clearly not. Otherwise you wouldn’t be spouting such nonsense.

This post is not about homosexuality or women-hating. It’s not about Islam. Future comments, if there are any, should address the post. If they continue to be off-topic they may not be published. Anyone who wishes to denounce Islam has plenty of other places to do that on the web. Take those opinions over to LGF where they’re most welcome.

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Baruch says:

June 1, 2007 at 3:08 AM

Masada2000 is back. Shitlist has been renamed dirtlist.

http://www.masada2000.org/dirt-list.html

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Guess says:

June 2, 2007 at 3:31 AM

It looks like some racists just never learn. Masada 2000, is back, get ready for more laughable nonesense!

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Gary says:

August 15, 2007 at 6:41 AM

“we lived for over 1000 years without our homeland and got along quite well thankyou”

Wow! The last 1000 thousands years of Jewish history?

-Holocaust
-pogroms
-Inguisition
-Expelled

Didn’t fare well during the crusades or that 2nd class so called protective citizenship in the muslim world.

Some of the style of masada was little out there and they needed to clean up the personal attacks but I have NO problem with them pointing out the lefts agenda and who the players are.

You didn’t shut them down but I’m sure you’re happy with the end result.

They hate all Arabs & Muslims ? No they hated those who attack Jews. Masada promoted the Arabs & Muslims that supported Israel. They had their links to their sites Which I might not of found although Tovia Singer has had the same folks on his show too.

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Richard Silverstein says:

August 15, 2007 at 8:52 PM

The last 1000 thousands years of Jewish history?

-Holocaust
-pogroms
-Inguisition
-Expelled

You forgot the Spanish Golden Age, Rambam, Spinoza, the Enlightenment, and if we go back farther the Babylonian Talmud. Propagandists like to exclude evidence that is inconvenient to their so called argument.

Some of the style of masada was little out there

Ya think??

You didn’t shut them down but I’m sure you’re happy with the end result.

Damn straight.

They hate all Arabs & Muslims ? No they hated those who attack Jews.

Oh please, there are 100 Muslims in the entire world (if that) who are pro-Israel sycophants and these are the only ones Masada2000 has any use for. The rest can burn in Hell for all M2K cares.

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Jerry says:

November 30, 2007 at 3:44 PM

I like the http://www.masada2000.org site because it provides you with a very detailed description of what happened. the maps are incredible. you cannot do any better to describe how the land was divided up between the jews and the arabs.

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