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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 06:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;a major portion of the Islamic world is on a mission to “subdue or kill the infidel” - a misison acquiesced to and excused by the vast majority of the rest.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
How many unsubstantiated gross overgeneralizations can someone pack into a single sentence?  You've possibly come close to the record.  I won't pretend to try to convince you of the gross ignorance that characterizes your views since that would be next to impossible.  Suffice to say that your views find no echo here.

For every instance of Muslim hate I can find an instance of either Jewish or Christian hate of Muslims.  What does it prove?  Nothing, except that human beings are better haters than peacemakers.</description>
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<p>How many unsubstantiated gross overgeneralizations can someone pack into a single sentence?  You&#8217;ve possibly come close to the record.  I won&#8217;t pretend to try to convince you of the gross ignorance that characterizes your views since that would be next to impossible.  Suffice to say that your views find no echo here.</p>
<p>For every instance of Muslim hate I can find an instance of either Jewish or Christian hate of Muslims.  What does it prove?  Nothing, except that human beings are better haters than peacemakers.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Frost</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Frost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 02:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why and how can so many warm and fuzzy people overlook the elephants in the room?  In word and deed a major portion of the Islamic world is on a mission to "subdue or kill the infidel" - a misison acquiesced to and excused by the vast majority of the rest.  The voices proclaiming the innocence and benevolence of "the silent majority" of Musims come almost exclusively from wishful thinking "infidels".  Any concerns an "infidel" might have with any non-Islamic movement surely must consider this full grown elephant in the room - these concerns are only "academic" issues vs the survival of freedom, liberties and indeed body, in a world threatened by the spread of Islam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why and how can so many warm and fuzzy people overlook the elephants in the room?  In word and deed a major portion of the Islamic world is on a mission to &#8220;subdue or kill the infidel&#8221; - a misison acquiesced to and excused by the vast majority of the rest.  The voices proclaiming the innocence and benevolence of &#8220;the silent majority&#8221; of Musims come almost exclusively from wishful thinking &#8220;infidels&#8221;.  Any concerns an &#8220;infidel&#8221; might have with any non-Islamic movement surely must consider this full grown elephant in the room - these concerns are only &#8220;academic&#8221; issues vs the survival of freedom, liberties and indeed body, in a world threatened by the spread of Islam.</p>
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		<title>By: Blogs of Zion &#187; Free Speech at Eurovision</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blogs of Zion &#187; Free Speech at Eurovision</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 17:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] People may claim that Brandeis University has a free speech problem, but what about Finland? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] People may claim that Brandeis University has a free speech problem, but what about Finland? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kafr al-Hanadwa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kafr al-Hanadwa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Brandeis under fire for hosting&#160;Carter&lt;/strong&gt;

Remember the affaire Carter-Dershowitz at Brandeis? Richard Silverstein reports that the evergreen McCarthyist Daniel Pipes has launched a campaign to ensure that guest speakers at this august, historically Jewish university don&#8217;t represent parts...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Brandeis under fire for hosting&nbsp;Carter</strong></p>
<p>Remember the affaire Carter-Dershowitz at Brandeis? Richard Silverstein reports that the evergreen McCarthyist Daniel Pipes has launched a campaign to ensure that guest speakers at this august, historically Jewish university don&#8217;t represent parts&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 05:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buck: I'm glad we agree on Pipes &#038; on Brandeis' response to the Carter speech.  But you're entirely too gentle on Dershowitz.  A liberal?  Howso?  He was a liberal.  In the late 1960s he even wrote an introduction to a book by an Israeli Arab &#038; represented him in court.  But I'd challenge you to find anything liberal in Dershowitz these days.  He's closer to neocon than he is to liberal in my book.

While I have no use for Finkelstein's anti-Zionist rhetoric, I believe his research on Dershowitz's plagiarism is sound.  It is certainly unfair to say that Finkelstein's research is poor merely because of the alleged use made of it by anti-Semites.  And btw, the Holocaust is a phenomenon that is deeply misused by some Jews and I'm not entirely convinced that his critique of the Holocaust isn't w/o some merit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buck: I&#8217;m glad we agree on Pipes &#038; on Brandeis&#8217; response to the Carter speech.  But you&#8217;re entirely too gentle on Dershowitz.  A liberal?  Howso?  He was a liberal.  In the late 1960s he even wrote an introduction to a book by an Israeli Arab &#038; represented him in court.  But I&#8217;d challenge you to find anything liberal in Dershowitz these days.  He&#8217;s closer to neocon than he is to liberal in my book.</p>
<p>While I have no use for Finkelstein&#8217;s anti-Zionist rhetoric, I believe his research on Dershowitz&#8217;s plagiarism is sound.  It is certainly unfair to say that Finkelstein&#8217;s research is poor merely because of the alleged use made of it by anti-Semites.  And btw, the Holocaust is a phenomenon that is deeply misused by some Jews and I&#8217;m not entirely convinced that his critique of the Holocaust isn&#8217;t w/o some merit.</p>
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		<title>By: buck</title>
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		<dc:creator>buck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 04:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a bit too much rhetoric here that seems to obscure a perfectly fine point. Let me explain.

Richard wrote,
...Mideast studies faculty (and faculty candidates) being subjected to a pro-Israel smear campaign...

This is not entirely fair. The smear campaign was not "pro-Israel"--at least, it was no more so than the pro-choice rhetoric is necessarily "pro-abortion", as the anti-choicers like to label it. Some of the criticism offered at Columbia and at Brandeis was fairly legitimate. And both sides have been guilty of excesses in the debate. But one should not apply the "enemy of my enemy" principle in academic discourse--opposition to a particular academic or academic position need not come from ideological allies.

To be fair, Daniel Pipes is one of the worst. It is difficult to describe his position as "academic" because most of his data (if one can even refer to it as "data") are misinterpreted and conclusions extremely biased. Views of Pipes's critics are usually distorted by his supporters in an attempt to portray Pipes as some kind of heroic figure. Pipes is not a hero--he's a coward.

Norman Finkelstein is another matter. To describe Finkelstein as a "Dershowitz gadfly" is not fair to either Dershowitz or Finkelstein. For one, Dershowitz is no Pipes. Pipes revolves in extreme conservative circles and relishes the attention he's getting from the Cristian Right. Dershowitz, in contrast, is liberal. He is, in fact, far more liberal in his views than some of the self-proclaimed progressives who routinely want to muzzle free speech. But Dershowitz is a supporter of Israel (if not quite a "Zionist" in the more traditional sense), and he likes to provoke his opponents.

Finkelstein, on the other hand, is not merely an critic of Israel. Finkelstein is the personification of a Jew who gives comfort to anti-Semites, Holocaust deniers and other assorted rabble. Every time an anti-Semitic polemicist wants to justify the myth of Jewish evil by citing a Jew, he can usually find support in Finkelstein's statements. This is quite disturbing. Finkelstein is no Pipes, but his academic credentials are not much better. Critics of both Finkelstein and Pipes usually have far more data to back up their arguments than either one of these two. 

Having said this, I find it deeply disturbing that Brandeis would find any wisdom in denying speech rights to either Pipes or Finkelstein. It is yet more distirbing that, following criticism, the Brandeis administration found it wise to relent on Pipes, but to continue to have Finkelstein muzzled. This is not representative of any plausible interpretation of free speech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a bit too much rhetoric here that seems to obscure a perfectly fine point. Let me explain.</p>
<p>Richard wrote,<br />
&#8230;Mideast studies faculty (and faculty candidates) being subjected to a pro-Israel smear campaign&#8230;</p>
<p>This is not entirely fair. The smear campaign was not &#8220;pro-Israel&#8221;&#8211;at least, it was no more so than the pro-choice rhetoric is necessarily &#8220;pro-abortion&#8221;, as the anti-choicers like to label it. Some of the criticism offered at Columbia and at Brandeis was fairly legitimate. And both sides have been guilty of excesses in the debate. But one should not apply the &#8220;enemy of my enemy&#8221; principle in academic discourse&#8211;opposition to a particular academic or academic position need not come from ideological allies.</p>
<p>To be fair, Daniel Pipes is one of the worst. It is difficult to describe his position as &#8220;academic&#8221; because most of his data (if one can even refer to it as &#8220;data&#8221;) are misinterpreted and conclusions extremely biased. Views of Pipes&#8217;s critics are usually distorted by his supporters in an attempt to portray Pipes as some kind of heroic figure. Pipes is not a hero&#8211;he&#8217;s a coward.</p>
<p>Norman Finkelstein is another matter. To describe Finkelstein as a &#8220;Dershowitz gadfly&#8221; is not fair to either Dershowitz or Finkelstein. For one, Dershowitz is no Pipes. Pipes revolves in extreme conservative circles and relishes the attention he&#8217;s getting from the Cristian Right. Dershowitz, in contrast, is liberal. He is, in fact, far more liberal in his views than some of the self-proclaimed progressives who routinely want to muzzle free speech. But Dershowitz is a supporter of Israel (if not quite a &#8220;Zionist&#8221; in the more traditional sense), and he likes to provoke his opponents.</p>
<p>Finkelstein, on the other hand, is not merely an critic of Israel. Finkelstein is the personification of a Jew who gives comfort to anti-Semites, Holocaust deniers and other assorted rabble. Every time an anti-Semitic polemicist wants to justify the myth of Jewish evil by citing a Jew, he can usually find support in Finkelstein&#8217;s statements. This is quite disturbing. Finkelstein is no Pipes, but his academic credentials are not much better. Critics of both Finkelstein and Pipes usually have far more data to back up their arguments than either one of these two. </p>
<p>Having said this, I find it deeply disturbing that Brandeis would find any wisdom in denying speech rights to either Pipes or Finkelstein. It is yet more distirbing that, following criticism, the Brandeis administration found it wise to relent on Pipes, but to continue to have Finkelstein muzzled. This is not representative of any plausible interpretation of free speech.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Gilligan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Gilligan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 02:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Brandeis alum I find this disheartening.  When I was there, we managed to be able to handle a visit by Meir Kahane, who as I recall wasn't the sole of moderation.  We delicate undergrads survived (although I think it got rather interesting).  The censoring of points of view by the University will be a lasting embarrassment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Brandeis alum I find this disheartening.  When I was there, we managed to be able to handle a visit by Meir Kahane, who as I recall wasn&#8217;t the sole of moderation.  We delicate undergrads survived (although I think it got rather interesting).  The censoring of points of view by the University will be a lasting embarrassment.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeanie Laurence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeanie Laurence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 03:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just got President Carter's book out of the library.  I doubt very much if I will discover that Jimmy Carter is an anti-Semite.  He is a Libra like me. A peacemaker, and believes in Justice.  He even has the great LIbra SMIILE.  Thanks for Tikum Olam.  We need somebody speaking on our behalf.  Why Label people with being Liberals.  We are the real intelligentsia--Yes, you may label us using that word.
How about a little love ye one another.
I love, You,
Jeanie   xxx000</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just got President Carter&#8217;s book out of the library.  I doubt very much if I will discover that Jimmy Carter is an anti-Semite.  He is a Libra like me. A peacemaker, and believes in Justice.  He even has the great LIbra SMIILE.  Thanks for Tikum Olam.  We need somebody speaking on our behalf.  Why Label people with being Liberals.  We are the real intelligentsia&#8211;Yes, you may label us using that word.<br />
How about a little love ye one another.<br />
I love, You,<br />
Jeanie   xxx000</p>
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		<title>By: MuzzleWatch &#187; What a shocker! Brandeis welcomes Daniel Pipes, but Norman Finkelstein still left wondering</title>
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		<dc:creator>MuzzleWatch &#187; What a shocker! Brandeis welcomes Daniel Pipes, but Norman Finkelstein still left wondering</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 23:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Richard Silverstein at Tikun Olam does a terrific job of diving deeply into the debate at Brandeis. He gives details about two Brandeis academics who have been specifically attacked by Daniel Pipes &#8211;Natana DeLong-Bas and Khalil Shikaki&#8211;and mentions Pipes&#8217; pivotal role in the the case most recently covered in the New York Times Magazine about Tariq Ramadan. These stories will be covered with greater depth in Muzzlewatch in the coming months. And over at Semitism.net, Stephanie Schamess digs into the archives to answer the question WWBD-What Would Judge Brandeis Do? My guess is that Justice Brandeis would not be pleased with what is happening at Brandeis University right now. And those donors who in the past have given to the school because it bears his name, dishonor him now by witholding funds only because the university has chosen to allow the exercise of free speech he so eloquently defended in the quotes above. Furthermore, the donors seem to have forgotten that they are giving to an educational institution, not to an organization that exists for the purpose of promulgating a particular ideological position.   &#160; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Richard Silverstein at Tikun Olam does a terrific job of diving deeply into the debate at Brandeis. He gives details about two Brandeis academics who have been specifically attacked by Daniel Pipes &#8211;Natana DeLong-Bas and Khalil Shikaki&#8211;and mentions Pipes&#8217; pivotal role in the the case most recently covered in the New York Times Magazine about Tariq Ramadan. These stories will be covered with greater depth in Muzzlewatch in the coming months. And over at Semitism.net, Stephanie Schamess digs into the archives to answer the question WWBD-What Would Judge Brandeis Do? My guess is that Justice Brandeis would not be pleased with what is happening at Brandeis University right now. And those donors who in the past have given to the school because it bears his name, dishonor him now by witholding funds only because the university has chosen to allow the exercise of free speech he so eloquently defended in the quotes above. Furthermore, the donors seem to have forgotten that they are giving to an educational institution, not to an organization that exists for the purpose of promulgating a particular ideological position.   &nbsp; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Hamas won the election by applying a cheap Iranian style populist propaganda, and holds to the rule by the dirty activity of its secret police, informants, assassins etc.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I'm no fan of Hamas, but I'm afraid that this is way over the top, Steven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hamas won the election by applying a cheap Iranian style populist propaganda, and holds to the rule by the dirty activity of its secret police, informants, assassins etc.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m no fan of Hamas, but I&#8217;m afraid that this is way over the top, Steven.</p>
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