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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 06:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I just don’t see the prevalent dovish attitude among American Jews that you see. In regards to Lebanon, for example, I saw most American Jews as united in supporting Israel during that awful war, with even normally dovish groups like the Israel Policy Forum staunchly standing behind Israel. I would love to be proven wrong, but it seems to me a majority of American Jews do not support confronting Israel over the settlements, negotiating with Hamas, etc,&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I was all set to argue with you &amp; bring to bear previous poll results I&#039;ve read conducted by Steven Cohen.  But a curious thing happened.  I couldn&#039;t find a full representation of Cohen&#039;s survey results anywhere online.  Cohen wrote to me saying he hadn&#039;t polled on this issue since 2004. And it appears that the only other polling is done by the American Jewish Committee, an organization with such a suspect political agenda regarding Israel that I also suspect their poll results.  Not that there&#039;s anything fake about them.  But as any pollster will tell you, survey response are highly susceptible to massaging based on how you word questions, etc.

And on examining &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ajc.org/site/apps/nl/content3.asp?c=ijITI2PHKoG&amp;b=846741&amp;ct=1740367&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the most recent survey results&lt;/a&gt;, which are quite out of date being from 2005, your contentions about the conservatism of American Jews is largely borne out.  But with a few significant exceptions.  First, 56% of American Jews support a Palestinian state &quot;in the current situation.&quot;  One could argue that George Bush and Ehud Olmert support a Palestinian state too (at least in words).  But the difference is that American Jews are willing to see one NOW &amp; those 2 are not.

Also, 61% of American Jews believe that Israel should give up either &quot;all&quot; or &quot;some&quot; of its existing West Bank settlements.  That too can be a suspect number as one can argue that Olmert too believes in dismantling &quot;some&quot; settlements.  But I believe that American Jews would be willing to dismantle far more settlements than Olmert would.

UPDATE: I just found an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ameinu.net/news/pressreleases.php?pressreleaseid=14&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ameinu poll&lt;/a&gt; conducted by Cohen (this must&#039;ve been the most recent poll he&#039;d done which he referred to in his e mail to me) and released in April, 2005.  It reassures me of my original assumption about the dovish attitudes of American Jews &amp; also shows just how different surveys can be which cover very similar territory.

It says that 41% of American Jews favor withdrawing from &quot;most&quot; settlements, while only 27% oppose it.

Cohen finds that 70% favor a Palestinian state if it were to be created in the context of a full resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

75% believe the U.S. should push for a settlement of the conflict &quot;even in the face of objections from Israelis or Palestinians.&quot;  This attitude of course flies in the face of current Israeli AND U.S. policy.

A 41% plurality believe Israel should allow a small number of Palestinians to return who left Israel in 1948 (Right of Return), in the context of a peace settlement.

A 47% plurality believe the U.S. should push Israel to be more conciliatory toward the Palestinians.

A 40% plurality believe:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Rather than almost always taking Israel&#039;s side as it does now, the United States should be more even-handed in its approach to the conflict...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I also believe that if you look at some of the distressing AJC polling numbers from that 2005 survey you&#039;d find that some of the more right-trending attitudes would&#039;ve moderated significantly in light of Israel&#039;s disastrous war with Lebanon.

Regarding negotiating with Hamas, I haven&#039;t seen any poll results on that question.  But Cohen notes that American Jewish attitudes closely parallel Israeli attitudes toward the conflict.  And I HAVE seen Israeli polls which show 60% support Israeli negotiations not just with a national unity government, but with Hamas itself.  I believe American Jewish opinion wouldn&#039;t be much different.

Regarding Lebanon, I&#039;m not so sure I agree with you on what American Jews believed.  While a significant number would&#039;ve supported Israel&#039;s position lock, stock &amp; barrel--the fact that pro-Israel rallies organized by the mainstream community were relatively poorly attended during the war leads me to believe that there was profound ambivalence among many American Jews.  But yes, I agree with you that there was entirely too much lock step support and entirely too little questioning of the assumptions behind Israeli policy toward Lebanon &amp; Hezbollah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I just don’t see the prevalent dovish attitude among American Jews that you see. In regards to Lebanon, for example, I saw most American Jews as united in supporting Israel during that awful war, with even normally dovish groups like the Israel Policy Forum staunchly standing behind Israel. I would love to be proven wrong, but it seems to me a majority of American Jews do not support confronting Israel over the settlements, negotiating with Hamas, etc,</p></blockquote>
<p>I was all set to argue with you &#038; bring to bear previous poll results I&#8217;ve read conducted by Steven Cohen.  But a curious thing happened.  I couldn&#8217;t find a full representation of Cohen&#8217;s survey results anywhere online.  Cohen wrote to me saying he hadn&#8217;t polled on this issue since 2004. And it appears that the only other polling is done by the American Jewish Committee, an organization with such a suspect political agenda regarding Israel that I also suspect their poll results.  Not that there&#8217;s anything fake about them.  But as any pollster will tell you, survey response are highly susceptible to massaging based on how you word questions, etc.</p>
<p>And on examining <a href="http://www.ajc.org/site/apps/nl/content3.asp?c=ijITI2PHKoG&#038;b=846741&#038;ct=1740367" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">the most recent survey results</a>, which are quite out of date being from 2005, your contentions about the conservatism of American Jews is largely borne out.  But with a few significant exceptions.  First, 56% of American Jews support a Palestinian state &#8220;in the current situation.&#8221;  One could argue that George Bush and Ehud Olmert support a Palestinian state too (at least in words).  But the difference is that American Jews are willing to see one NOW &#038; those 2 are not.</p>
<p>Also, 61% of American Jews believe that Israel should give up either &#8220;all&#8221; or &#8220;some&#8221; of its existing West Bank settlements.  That too can be a suspect number as one can argue that Olmert too believes in dismantling &#8220;some&#8221; settlements.  But I believe that American Jews would be willing to dismantle far more settlements than Olmert would.</p>
<p>UPDATE: I just found an <a href="http://www.ameinu.net/news/pressreleases.php?pressreleaseid=14" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">Ameinu poll</a> conducted by Cohen (this must&#8217;ve been the most recent poll he&#8217;d done which he referred to in his e mail to me) and released in April, 2005.  It reassures me of my original assumption about the dovish attitudes of American Jews &#038; also shows just how different surveys can be which cover very similar territory.</p>
<p>It says that 41% of American Jews favor withdrawing from &#8220;most&#8221; settlements, while only 27% oppose it.</p>
<p>Cohen finds that 70% favor a Palestinian state if it were to be created in the context of a full resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.</p>
<p>75% believe the U.S. should push for a settlement of the conflict &#8220;even in the face of objections from Israelis or Palestinians.&#8221;  This attitude of course flies in the face of current Israeli AND U.S. policy.</p>
<p>A 41% plurality believe Israel should allow a small number of Palestinians to return who left Israel in 1948 (Right of Return), in the context of a peace settlement.</p>
<p>A 47% plurality believe the U.S. should push Israel to be more conciliatory toward the Palestinians.</p>
<p>A 40% plurality believe:</p>
<blockquote><p>Rather than almost always taking Israel&#8217;s side as it does now, the United States should be more even-handed in its approach to the conflict&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>I also believe that if you look at some of the distressing AJC polling numbers from that 2005 survey you&#8217;d find that some of the more right-trending attitudes would&#8217;ve moderated significantly in light of Israel&#8217;s disastrous war with Lebanon.</p>
<p>Regarding negotiating with Hamas, I haven&#8217;t seen any poll results on that question.  But Cohen notes that American Jewish attitudes closely parallel Israeli attitudes toward the conflict.  And I HAVE seen Israeli polls which show 60% support Israeli negotiations not just with a national unity government, but with Hamas itself.  I believe American Jewish opinion wouldn&#8217;t be much different.</p>
<p>Regarding Lebanon, I&#8217;m not so sure I agree with you on what American Jews believed.  While a significant number would&#8217;ve supported Israel&#8217;s position lock, stock &#038; barrel&#8211;the fact that pro-Israel rallies organized by the mainstream community were relatively poorly attended during the war leads me to believe that there was profound ambivalence among many American Jews.  But yes, I agree with you that there was entirely too much lock step support and entirely too little questioning of the assumptions behind Israeli policy toward Lebanon &#038; Hezbollah.</p>
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		<title>By: 'Aqoul</title>
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		<dc:creator>'Aqoul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post has been cross-posted at Aqoul:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aqoul.com/archives/2006/10/backers_of_dovi.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Backers of Dovish American Jewish Initiative Deny Opposing AIPAC&lt;/a&gt;

When JTA ran a story last week about an initiative backed by George Soros (or not yet backed if you believe Rosner&#039;s reports below) and other powerful dovish American Jewish leaders, it noted that one of the purposes of the...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post has been cross-posted at Aqoul:<br />
<a href="http://www.aqoul.com/archives/2006/10/backers_of_dovi.php" rel="nofollow">Backers of Dovish American Jewish Initiative Deny Opposing AIPAC</a></p>
<p>When JTA ran a story last week about an initiative backed by George Soros (or not yet backed if you believe Rosner&#8217;s reports below) and other powerful dovish American Jewish leaders, it noted that one of the purposes of the&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Peter H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I certainly agree with you that Rosner is a pro-AIPAC hack (It&#039;s amazing to think that Amos Elon once held his position).  But, as I&#039;ve said before, I just don&#039;t see the prevalent dovish attitude among American Jews that you see.  In regards to Lebanon, for example, I saw most American Jews as united in supporting Israel during that awful war, with even normally dovish groups like the Israel Policy Forum staunchly standing behind Israel.    I would love to be proven wrong, but it seems to me a majority of American Jews do not support confronting Israel over the settlements, negotating with Hamas, etc,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I certainly agree with you that Rosner is a pro-AIPAC hack (It&#8217;s amazing to think that Amos Elon once held his position).  But, as I&#8217;ve said before, I just don&#8217;t see the prevalent dovish attitude among American Jews that you see.  In regards to Lebanon, for example, I saw most American Jews as united in supporting Israel during that awful war, with even normally dovish groups like the Israel Policy Forum staunchly standing behind Israel.    I would love to be proven wrong, but it seems to me a majority of American Jews do not support confronting Israel over the settlements, negotating with Hamas, etc,</p>
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