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	<title>Comments on: Don&#8217;t Cross the &#8216;Cult of Kos&#8217; or You&#8217;ll Live to Regret It</title>
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		<title>By: Hoofin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hoofin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good for you, Richard!

I was banned from Kos earlier today, because I offended one other poster who disagreed with me about Ted Kennedy ("condoleaser").

The more people that speak up about the crowd at Kos, the more likely that part of the website will be de-emphasized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for you, Richard!</p>
<p>I was banned from Kos earlier today, because I offended one other poster who disagreed with me about Ted Kennedy (&#8221;condoleaser&#8221;).</p>
<p>The more people that speak up about the crowd at Kos, the more likely that part of the website will be de-emphasized.</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Blog Archive &#187; MyDD.com Gets Spittled</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Blog Archive &#187; MyDD.com Gets Spittled</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 05:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Okay, I was gonna hold off on this one because I know some new folks are joining us and I didn&#8217;t want to alienate them right off the bat. But given this latest ridiculousness by King Kos, I realize that (cue lounge piano) I gotta be me. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Okay, I was gonna hold off on this one because I know some new folks are joining us and I didn&#8217;t want to alienate them right off the bat. But given this latest ridiculousness by King Kos, I realize that (cue lounge piano) I gotta be me. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 05:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bring it on. sorry. 

yeah, it's weird to be shut out of a site i happily participated in despite the infantile tone of some of the Kossacks. i almost forgot about markos defiant screw you tude when people complained about the pie fight ad.  they really hate to hear that an intolerant liberal is kind of a pathetic oxymoron. I certainly never went after trolls to flag them. their reasoning on what makes a troll is scary in its single-minded conviction. booman did have a ridiculous rigorous list of ways to spot a troll; one being they never post on movie or music diaries. uh...yeah. or they only comment when there's a heated debate....right. 

anyway.   i'm still trying to get my mind around the thought of someone spending hours scanning comments to police and hide. or complaining about being banned...

great site.

peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bring it on. sorry. </p>
<p>yeah, it&#8217;s weird to be shut out of a site i happily participated in despite the infantile tone of some of the Kossacks. i almost forgot about markos defiant screw you tude when people complained about the pie fight ad.  they really hate to hear that an intolerant liberal is kind of a pathetic oxymoron. I certainly never went after trolls to flag them. their reasoning on what makes a troll is scary in its single-minded conviction. booman did have a ridiculous rigorous list of ways to spot a troll; one being they never post on movie or music diaries. uh&#8230;yeah. or they only comment when there&#8217;s a heated debate&#8230;.right. </p>
<p>anyway.   i&#8217;m still trying to get my mind around the thought of someone spending hours scanning comments to police and hide. or complaining about being banned&#8230;</p>
<p>great site.</p>
<p>peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 23:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very sorry to hear you've been banned.  Given the rabid tone of the diaries you mention perhaps I should publish one of my posts over there as a diary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very sorry to hear you&#8217;ve been banned.  Given the rabid tone of the diaries you mention perhaps I should publish one of my posts over there as a diary.</p>
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		<title>By: christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I join the ranks of the DK banned today. I posted a comment after someone wrote a diary wondering why their anti-Israel post had been hidden. I didn't agree with the diary mind you, I just noted that the intolerant libs of DK were trying to quash any dissent, including COMMENTING on the lack of their happy hiding. 

It's okay for Armando and the others to regularly tell people to "fuck off" call them "assholes" or bring out their DK rulebook to point out how somebody veered from the path of their gospel, but if you challenge them without name-calling,  and using reason, they circle like sharks and shut you down. 

So I can only assume that Markos himself silenced my voice. 

Which I now take to be an honor. 

If DK thinks this is the way to create a community, he's heading down the path of the right. 

peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I join the ranks of the DK banned today. I posted a comment after someone wrote a diary wondering why their anti-Israel post had been hidden. I didn&#8217;t agree with the diary mind you, I just noted that the intolerant libs of DK were trying to quash any dissent, including COMMENTING on the lack of their happy hiding. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s okay for Armando and the others to regularly tell people to &#8220;fuck off&#8221; call them &#8220;assholes&#8221; or bring out their DK rulebook to point out how somebody veered from the path of their gospel, but if you challenge them without name-calling,  and using reason, they circle like sharks and shut you down. </p>
<p>So I can only assume that Markos himself silenced my voice. </p>
<p>Which I now take to be an honor. </p>
<p>If DK thinks this is the way to create a community, he&#8217;s heading down the path of the right. </p>
<p>peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought it was hilarious I was attacked for using Armando's name in the title of my diary there, which apparently violated some site rule; when Chris Bowers AND Armando had not only used my first name, but my entire name in a post and comment that same day.  Apparently the rules only apply to people you don't like or agree with.  But if your one of the Big Boys' you can do pretty much as you wish.

I was also amused that commenters warned me that the Armando diary would disappear along with me from the site unless I deleted it.  I haven't checked lately, but the day after these stupid threats the diary still stood.  Haven't tried to post another diary but presumably I haven't been banned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought it was hilarious I was attacked for using Armando&#8217;s name in the title of my diary there, which apparently violated some site rule; when Chris Bowers AND Armando had not only used my first name, but my entire name in a post and comment that same day.  Apparently the rules only apply to people you don&#8217;t like or agree with.  But if your one of the Big Boys&#8217; you can do pretty much as you wish.</p>
<p>I was also amused that commenters warned me that the Armando diary would disappear along with me from the site unless I deleted it.  I haven&#8217;t checked lately, but the day after these stupid threats the diary still stood.  Haven&#8217;t tried to post another diary but presumably I haven&#8217;t been banned.</p>
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		<title>By: christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DKos has of course become the very thing its members argue against. My benign non-aggressive, non-profanity, non-personal attacks only inspire troll hunters o seek me out and hide me out. Or I've been banned for daring to point out the intolerance of the Kossacks. It's hilarious people like MissLaura -- who I'm certain is one of the self-righteous troll-police -- brings out the DK rulebook to point out your insulti to the DK crowd by not becoming a fellow troll-hunter or UID or whatever. 

DK members act like peole whose favorite band just became popular. It's MINE. SHUTUP and GET OUT. That's always my favorite comment. It'sthe left-wing equivalent to America: Love It Or Leave It. 

DK is imploding. The arbitrary censorious troll-hunters are shielding the open discourse they claim to triumph. 

Given Armando's profane rants and infantilism, it's no wonder he shills for Wal Mart.

I mean, just agrree and you'll be fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DKos has of course become the very thing its members argue against. My benign non-aggressive, non-profanity, non-personal attacks only inspire troll hunters o seek me out and hide me out. Or I&#8217;ve been banned for daring to point out the intolerance of the Kossacks. It&#8217;s hilarious people like MissLaura &#8212; who I&#8217;m certain is one of the self-righteous troll-police &#8212; brings out the DK rulebook to point out your insulti to the DK crowd by not becoming a fellow troll-hunter or UID or whatever. </p>
<p>DK members act like peole whose favorite band just became popular. It&#8217;s MINE. SHUTUP and GET OUT. That&#8217;s always my favorite comment. It&#8217;sthe left-wing equivalent to America: Love It Or Leave It. </p>
<p>DK is imploding. The arbitrary censorious troll-hunters are shielding the open discourse they claim to triumph. </p>
<p>Given Armando&#8217;s profane rants and infantilism, it&#8217;s no wonder he shills for Wal Mart.</p>
<p>I mean, just agrree and you&#8217;ll be fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tex: Thanks...I think.  But it isn't quite "that simple."  You see, I agree with them about Lieberman and believe in choice.  And I think saying I was "aborted" only proves that the right can hyperventilate as well as the left.

But I do appreciate yr support for my views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tex: Thanks&#8230;I think.  But it isn&#8217;t quite &#8220;that simple.&#8221;  You see, I agree with them about Lieberman and believe in choice.  And I think saying I was &#8220;aborted&#8221; only proves that the right can hyperventilate as well as the left.</p>
<p>But I do appreciate yr support for my views.</p>
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		<title>By: Tex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 21:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reading through all this all I can think, is what did you expect? Look what they're doing to Senator Lieberman @ the "DKos"?? Over @ the "DKos", it's a radically "Pro-Choice" crowd. No considerations for your thoughtful well said position and commentary. No considerations for your honest ethics and morality. No consideraions for your str8-forward call 4 discussion of the issue. No considerations whatsoever, even for right and wrong. You weren't wanted and you got your ethics in the way of their wacky self absorbed self indulgences. So you just got aborted dude.  It's all just that simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reading through all this all I can think, is what did you expect? Look what they&#8217;re doing to Senator Lieberman @ the &#8220;DKos&#8221;?? Over @ the &#8220;DKos&#8221;, it&#8217;s a radically &#8220;Pro-Choice&#8221; crowd. No considerations for your thoughtful well said position and commentary. No considerations for your honest ethics and morality. No consideraions for your str8-forward call 4 discussion of the issue. No considerations whatsoever, even for right and wrong. You weren&#8217;t wanted and you got your ethics in the way of their wacky self absorbed self indulgences. So you just got aborted dude.  It&#8217;s all just that simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 05:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max: Thanks for yr. comment.
&lt;blockquote&gt;It got zero readers. I’m sorry, I may be boring but I’m not that bad.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I think you mean you got zero commenters.  Undoubtedly, you did have readers.  Just no one interested or intelligent enough to engage what you wrote.  I can attest that you are by no means boring.  I've written diaries at Kos which I thought were interesting and which attracted no comments.  That gave me thought that the level of discourse there may not be all that high.  The rabid reaction to my posts about Kos &#038; Armando confirm that.

Though I must say that I respect &#038; admire Maryscott O'Connor who still holds DKos in some esteem.  So it must be a large enough community that there is some intelligent debate there.  In truth, I have written some diaries there about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict which have drawn intelligent discussion.  So as you say it's a mixed bag.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Kos...is not left in any recognizable respect.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yes, that's true.  That's probably why Maryscott started My Left Wing.  I'm not privy to the nuances of DKos but many commenters &#038; e-mailers here have told me that Kos is really interested much more in winning than in philosophical or political/analytical debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max: Thanks for yr. comment.</p>
<blockquote><p>It got zero readers. I’m sorry, I may be boring but I’m not that bad.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think you mean you got zero commenters.  Undoubtedly, you did have readers.  Just no one interested or intelligent enough to engage what you wrote.  I can attest that you are by no means boring.  I&#8217;ve written diaries at Kos which I thought were interesting and which attracted no comments.  That gave me thought that the level of discourse there may not be all that high.  The rabid reaction to my posts about Kos &#038; Armando confirm that.</p>
<p>Though I must say that I respect &#038; admire Maryscott O&#8217;Connor who still holds DKos in some esteem.  So it must be a large enough community that there is some intelligent debate there.  In truth, I have written some diaries there about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict which have drawn intelligent discussion.  So as you say it&#8217;s a mixed bag.</p>
<blockquote><p>Kos&#8230;is not left in any recognizable respect.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, that&#8217;s true.  That&#8217;s probably why Maryscott started My Left Wing.  I&#8217;m not privy to the nuances of DKos but many commenters &#038; e-mailers here have told me that Kos is really interested much more in winning than in philosophical or political/analytical debate.</p>
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