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	<title>Comments on: Why is Shin Bet Afraid of Rabbi Menachem Froman?</title>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So your concessions are basically for Israel to retreat to the 1949 ceasefire lines and to allow an 'A-list' of Palestinians to resettle in Israel and compensation for the rest. And what does Israel get in return? Promises that Jews can stay in their settlements without discrimination and revenge checkpoints? While at the same time, Hamas, the PLO, Islamic Jihad, Eiz El Din Al Qassam, still declare their struggle to conquer all the land west of the Jordan River?

It does not matter whether I am pro-settler, centrist, or leftist. Their is a simple problem that after 15 years, the Palestinians have not lived up to any of their obligations under the Oslo Accords, the PLO charter still has not been changed to take out the section about cleaning up all of 'Palestine', and if they can't even control their own people not to blow Israelis up on buses, no one even expects them to make sure Jewish settlers on legally bought land can life a free life under Palestinian sovreignty.

It's not pro-settler vantage, it's pro-life. Only the rabid left thinks that winding the clock back to 1949 will solve anything. The moderate left is willing to bend over backwards, yet apprehensively. The majority of Israelis don't see what anymore concessions will help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So your concessions are basically for Israel to retreat to the 1949 ceasefire lines and to allow an &#8216;A-list&#8217; of Palestinians to resettle in Israel and compensation for the rest. And what does Israel get in return? Promises that Jews can stay in their settlements without discrimination and revenge checkpoints? While at the same time, Hamas, the PLO, Islamic Jihad, Eiz El Din Al Qassam, still declare their struggle to conquer all the land west of the Jordan River?</p>
<p>It does not matter whether I am pro-settler, centrist, or leftist. Their is a simple problem that after 15 years, the Palestinians have not lived up to any of their obligations under the Oslo Accords, the PLO charter still has not been changed to take out the section about cleaning up all of &#8216;Palestine&#8217;, and if they can&#8217;t even control their own people not to blow Israelis up on buses, no one even expects them to make sure Jewish settlers on legally bought land can life a free life under Palestinian sovreignty.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not pro-settler vantage, it&#8217;s pro-life. Only the rabid left thinks that winding the clock back to 1949 will solve anything. The moderate left is willing to bend over backwards, yet apprehensively. The majority of Israelis don&#8217;t see what anymore concessions will help.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 03:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Rabbi Froman supporting Israel giving the Palestinians sovreignty over territory but allowing Jews to keep their land&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Rabbi Froman is perfectly correct &#038; reasonable in proposing this solution.  Let any settler who wishes to stay in the Territories as long as they accept Palestinian sovereignty.  There would have to be an agreement with the Palestinians as well to protect the settlers rights &#038; ensure they are equal to any Palestinian's rights.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Can I assume that negotiating a final status agreement to you means A) withdrawing all Jews from the territory won in 1967 B) right of return to 1948 land?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
No, you can't.  I don't support removing all Jews from the Territories as long as they accept Palestinian sovereignty.  And I don't support a full physical right of return.  But I do accept a symbolic right of return that should be compensated financially along with Geneva Initiative symbolic resettlement of a select number of Palestinian returnees pre-agreed w. Israel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Rabbi Froman supporting Israel giving the Palestinians sovreignty over territory but allowing Jews to keep their land</p></blockquote>
<p>Rabbi Froman is perfectly correct &#038; reasonable in proposing this solution.  Let any settler who wishes to stay in the Territories as long as they accept Palestinian sovereignty.  There would have to be an agreement with the Palestinians as well to protect the settlers rights &#038; ensure they are equal to any Palestinian&#8217;s rights.</p>
<blockquote><p>Can I assume that negotiating a final status agreement to you means A) withdrawing all Jews from the territory won in 1967 B) right of return to 1948 land?</p></blockquote>
<p>No, you can&#8217;t.  I don&#8217;t support removing all Jews from the Territories as long as they accept Palestinian sovereignty.  And I don&#8217;t support a full physical right of return.  But I do accept a symbolic right of return that should be compensated financially along with Geneva Initiative symbolic resettlement of a select number of Palestinian returnees pre-agreed w. Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whoa - pro-settler? What about pro-human rights? Can you comment about Rabbi Froman supporting Israel giving the Palestinians sovreignty over territory but allowing Jews to keep their land (without getting into the discussion about the legal owner to that land)?

You seem to be against Jews owning land in Arab neighborhoods. What's up with that racism?

Can I assume that negotiating a final status agreement to you means A) withdrawing all Jews from the territory won in 1967 B) right of return to 1948 land?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whoa - pro-settler? What about pro-human rights? Can you comment about Rabbi Froman supporting Israel giving the Palestinians sovreignty over territory but allowing Jews to keep their land (without getting into the discussion about the legal owner to that land)?</p>
<p>You seem to be against Jews owning land in Arab neighborhoods. What&#8217;s up with that racism?</p>
<p>Can I assume that negotiating a final status agreement to you means A) withdrawing all Jews from the territory won in 1967 B) right of return to 1948 land?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;the ruling Israeli government parties (Kadima and Labour) support these same concessions.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
What concessions?  Fr. yr pro-settler vantage, I supposed withdrawing settlers illegally occupying Hebron is a "concession."  But that's not what we mean by "concessions."  A real concession involves Israel negotiating a final status agreement that will involve far more for both sides than evacuating a bunch of wingnut kooks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>the ruling Israeli government parties (Kadima and Labour) support these same concessions.</p></blockquote>
<p>What concessions?  Fr. yr pro-settler vantage, I supposed withdrawing settlers illegally occupying Hebron is a &#8220;concession.&#8221;  But that&#8217;s not what we mean by &#8220;concessions.&#8221;  A real concession involves Israel negotiating a final status agreement that will involve far more for both sides than evacuating a bunch of wingnut kooks.</p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 20:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article does not seem lucid. It seems to imply that the Israeli government wants to stop Froman's initiative for fear it will lead to Israeli concenssions, but it is widely known that the ruling Israeli government parties (Kadima and Labour) &lt;b&gt;support these same concessions&lt;/b&gt;. It would be otherwise fathomable for the article to claim that the corrupt Kadima/Labour politicians are using the Shabak in order to further their political agendas so that they could take the credit of any Israeli-Arab peace initiatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article does not seem lucid. It seems to imply that the Israeli government wants to stop Froman&#8217;s initiative for fear it will lead to Israeli concenssions, but it is widely known that the ruling Israeli government parties (Kadima and Labour) <b>support these same concessions</b>. It would be otherwise fathomable for the article to claim that the corrupt Kadima/Labour politicians are using the Shabak in order to further their political agendas so that they could take the credit of any Israeli-Arab peace initiatives.</p>
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