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	<title>Comments on: Walid Shoebat: from Palestinian Terrorist to Lover of Zion??</title>
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		<title>By: Andeleeb</title>
		<link>http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2005/02/09/walid-shoebat-f/#comment-10184</link>
		<dc:creator>Andeleeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it completely sad how people think Islam is spread through violence.  If that were true, why is Islam the fastest growing religion?

Walid Shoebat is nothing but a greedy warmonger.  He creates hate and violence through his words.  All he cares about is the money and status he receives.  How sick that 9/11 became a "pro-hatred of Muslims" platform for the likes of Shoebat and Manji.  They don't really care about God and peace.  Not at all.  All they care about is their bank accounts.

Manji would be nothing without the Zionist Asper family promoting her work [against Islam].  Without the mighty and powerfully rich Asper family/estate, Manji would not have received several awards from Jewish organizations for her work - a work that only serves to  spread ambiguous tales about Islam and Muslims, further causing a lack of understanding and  hatred towards Muslims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it completely sad how people think Islam is spread through violence.  If that were true, why is Islam the fastest growing religion?</p>
<p>Walid Shoebat is nothing but a greedy warmonger.  He creates hate and violence through his words.  All he cares about is the money and status he receives.  How sick that 9/11 became a &#8220;pro-hatred of Muslims&#8221; platform for the likes of Shoebat and Manji.  They don&#8217;t really care about God and peace.  Not at all.  All they care about is their bank accounts.</p>
<p>Manji would be nothing without the Zionist Asper family promoting her work [against Islam].  Without the mighty and powerfully rich Asper family/estate, Manji would not have received several awards from Jewish organizations for her work - a work that only serves to  spread ambiguous tales about Islam and Muslims, further causing a lack of understanding and  hatred towards Muslims.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
		<link>http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2005/02/09/walid-shoebat-f/#comment-7605</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 20:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You can Have Your say however Trash it may be ….. I was right …Dicky Boy –My Lad … You are part of the Virus which is destroying the truth and will bring about Mass Ignorance and eventually Tragedy on a Massive Scale&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Whoo boy!  It's been a while since this thread has seen such nutcase hate.  I'd say MIke you ought to look in the mirror &#038; there you'll find the "trash" and "virus" which brings about "mass ignorance" and "tragedy on a massive scale."  If you were running things the world would be one helluva sorry place filled with mass hatred and hysteria not to mention mass persection or even violence against those like me who don't share The Truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You can Have Your say however Trash it may be ….. I was right …Dicky Boy –My Lad … You are part of the Virus which is destroying the truth and will bring about Mass Ignorance and eventually Tragedy on a Massive Scale</p></blockquote>
<p>Whoo boy!  It&#8217;s been a while since this thread has seen such nutcase hate.  I&#8217;d say MIke you ought to look in the mirror &#038; there you&#8217;ll find the &#8220;trash&#8221; and &#8220;virus&#8221; which brings about &#8220;mass ignorance&#8221; and &#8220;tragedy on a massive scale.&#8221;  If you were running things the world would be one helluva sorry place filled with mass hatred and hysteria not to mention mass persection or even violence against those like me who don&#8217;t share The Truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Wilson</title>
		<link>http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2005/02/09/walid-shoebat-f/#comment-7603</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 20:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are You really ignorant of the facts OR are You just ignoring the facts for Your Ends (whatever that may Be ) ..Since This is Your Holy Site ... You can Have Your say however Trash it may be ..... I was right ...Dicky Boy --My Lad ... You are part of the Virus which is destroying the truth and will bring about Mass Ignorance and eventually  Tragedy on a Massive Scale ..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are You really ignorant of the facts OR are You just ignoring the facts for Your Ends (whatever that may Be ) ..Since This is Your Holy Site &#8230; You can Have Your say however Trash it may be &#8230;.. I was right &#8230;Dicky Boy &#8211;My Lad &#8230; You are part of the Virus which is destroying the truth and will bring about Mass Ignorance and eventually  Tragedy on a Massive Scale ..</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
		<link>http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2005/02/09/walid-shoebat-f/#comment-6350</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The West Bank is not “illegally” occupied. Israel won that land in a war.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Israel "won" that land??  What is this a poker game in which you win a hand fair and square and the winnings are yours for the taking??  I don't care whether Israel "won" the Occupied Territories or not.  The fact that Israel conquered the land and continues to occupy it is all that matters.  The rest of the world says Israel occupies it illegally.  You and yr fellow right wing zealots say otherwise.  Gee, who are we to believe?
&lt;blockquote&gt;you are a bad individual&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Ooooh, yes I am.  I'm a very, very bad person.  And thank you so much for pointing out the error of my ways.  I'll do my best to correct them, yes sir I promise I will.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Israel has made many concessions over the years which the Palestinians refuse to accept.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Oh, pls. do tell us about all those imaginary Israeli concessions.  I'm all ears.
&lt;blockquote&gt;How come no Jews/Israeli’s blow themselves up?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Gee, I dunno.  Could it be perhaps that Israelis have more to live for, that Israelis (most anyway) have jobs, can feed their families, &#038; generally have some hope for the future?  Almost none of which Palestinians currently enjoy.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Because they are civilized, human beings, whereas Palestinians Muslims believe they will go to Paradise if they blow up some Jews.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I do so love the starry-eyed racists who find Israelis to be God's paragon and Palestinians to be mere animals.  I couldn't have conceived you any better had I ordered the standard issue Palestinian hater from central casting.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Walid Shoebat is a good guy by the way, you shouldn’t insult him&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Oh dear.  Oh deary deary me.  Walid is a "good guy."  Perish the thought that I'd want to "insult" such a sterling exemplar of humanity.  I don't know what I was thinking when I wrote those nasty things about him.

Is it too late to take them all back??  Do you think if I repented like he did that some fatcat Christian Zionist folks would give me a ton of dough &#038; trot me around the world to show the error of my former Palestinian-loving ways???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The West Bank is not “illegally” occupied. Israel won that land in a war.</p></blockquote>
<p>Israel &#8220;won&#8221; that land??  What is this a poker game in which you win a hand fair and square and the winnings are yours for the taking??  I don&#8217;t care whether Israel &#8220;won&#8221; the Occupied Territories or not.  The fact that Israel conquered the land and continues to occupy it is all that matters.  The rest of the world says Israel occupies it illegally.  You and yr fellow right wing zealots say otherwise.  Gee, who are we to believe?</p>
<blockquote><p>you are a bad individual</p></blockquote>
<p>Ooooh, yes I am.  I&#8217;m a very, very bad person.  And thank you so much for pointing out the error of my ways.  I&#8217;ll do my best to correct them, yes sir I promise I will.</p>
<blockquote><p>Israel has made many concessions over the years which the Palestinians refuse to accept.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, pls. do tell us about all those imaginary Israeli concessions.  I&#8217;m all ears.</p>
<blockquote><p>How come no Jews/Israeli’s blow themselves up?</p></blockquote>
<p>Gee, I dunno.  Could it be perhaps that Israelis have more to live for, that Israelis (most anyway) have jobs, can feed their families, &#038; generally have some hope for the future?  Almost none of which Palestinians currently enjoy.</p>
<blockquote><p>Because they are civilized, human beings, whereas Palestinians Muslims believe they will go to Paradise if they blow up some Jews.</p></blockquote>
<p>I do so love the starry-eyed racists who find Israelis to be God&#8217;s paragon and Palestinians to be mere animals.  I couldn&#8217;t have conceived you any better had I ordered the standard issue Palestinian hater from central casting.</p>
<blockquote><p>Walid Shoebat is a good guy by the way, you shouldn’t insult him</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh dear.  Oh deary deary me.  Walid is a &#8220;good guy.&#8221;  Perish the thought that I&#8217;d want to &#8220;insult&#8221; such a sterling exemplar of humanity.  I don&#8217;t know what I was thinking when I wrote those nasty things about him.</p>
<p>Is it too late to take them all back??  Do you think if I repented like he did that some fatcat Christian Zionist folks would give me a ton of dough &#038; trot me around the world to show the error of my former Palestinian-loving ways???</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
		<link>http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2005/02/09/walid-shoebat-f/#comment-6310</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Dec 2006 13:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard! The West Bank is not "illegally" occupied. Israel won that land in a war. Anyways, you are a bad individual who blames the Palestinian terrorism on "Israeli opression". Israel has made many concessions over the years which the Palestinians refuse to accept. How come no Jews/Israeli's blow themselves up? Because they are civilized, human beings, whereas Palestinians Muslims believe they will go to Paradise if they blow up some Jews. The hatred for Israel has nothing to with the Occupation of Gaza or the West Bank- the Palestinians want all of Israel. Walid Shoebat is a good guy by the way, you shouldn't insult him</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard! The West Bank is not &#8220;illegally&#8221; occupied. Israel won that land in a war. Anyways, you are a bad individual who blames the Palestinian terrorism on &#8220;Israeli opression&#8221;. Israel has made many concessions over the years which the Palestinians refuse to accept. How come no Jews/Israeli&#8217;s blow themselves up? Because they are civilized, human beings, whereas Palestinians Muslims believe they will go to Paradise if they blow up some Jews. The hatred for Israel has nothing to with the Occupation of Gaza or the West Bank- the Palestinians want all of Israel. Walid Shoebat is a good guy by the way, you shouldn&#8217;t insult him</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 00:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom's no doubt fake e mail address is 'myheadhertz.'  I couldn't agree more.  My head hurts just in reading his spew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom&#8217;s no doubt fake e mail address is &#8216;myheadhertz.&#8217;  I couldn&#8217;t agree more.  My head hurts just in reading his spew.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 14:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey,

After reading most of this blog I am starting to get worried... if you Jews can't even agree among yourselves, how can a typical Christian like me support Isreal or a Jewish cause? I think, like most Americans, that before 9/11 I was pretty niave about Islam and all "faiths" being acceptable. I especially know now that, while I still acknowlege Judism, Christ is the only answer (and that Mohammand was the anti-Christ of his time). Muslims seem only to promote Islam through any (read violent) means. Jews can't decide who their enimies are (why are you all Democrats?), and moderates Christians just want to please everyone? At one point in a man's life, he must take a stand and act.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey,</p>
<p>After reading most of this blog I am starting to get worried&#8230; if you Jews can&#8217;t even agree among yourselves, how can a typical Christian like me support Isreal or a Jewish cause? I think, like most Americans, that before 9/11 I was pretty niave about Islam and all &#8220;faiths&#8221; being acceptable. I especially know now that, while I still acknowlege Judism, Christ is the only answer (and that Mohammand was the anti-Christ of his time). Muslims seem only to promote Islam through any (read violent) means. Jews can&#8217;t decide who their enimies are (why are you all Democrats?), and moderates Christians just want to please everyone? At one point in a man&#8217;s life, he must take a stand and act.</p>
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		<title>By: John Yorke</title>
		<link>http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2005/02/09/walid-shoebat-f/#comment-4168</link>
		<dc:creator>John Yorke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologies again but 'trail of breadcrumbs' now needs a small course correction as the Google listings have changed.

Instead of ' select second item listed' now select first item listed - this should be the main homepage for Place4Peace.

Type 'Star Trek' into the Place4Peace 'search' box found at the top of the screen.

Two postings from Place4pPeace should become available.

Please read both.

Good luck.

JY</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies again but &#8216;trail of breadcrumbs&#8217; now needs a small course correction as the Google listings have changed.</p>
<p>Instead of &#8216; select second item listed&#8217; now select first item listed - this should be the main homepage for Place4Peace.</p>
<p>Type &#8216;Star Trek&#8217; into the Place4Peace &#8217;search&#8217; box found at the top of the screen.</p>
<p>Two postings from Place4pPeace should become available.</p>
<p>Please read both.</p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
<p>JY</p>
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		<title>By: John Yorke</title>
		<link>http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2005/02/09/walid-shoebat-f/#comment-4040</link>
		<dc:creator>John Yorke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jul 2006 16:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For 'fundemental' please read 'fundamental'.

Sorry about that. I'm a Virgo and we're all a bit pedantic like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For &#8216;fundemental&#8217; please read &#8216;fundamental&#8217;.</p>
<p>Sorry about that. I&#8217;m a Virgo and we&#8217;re all a bit pedantic like that.</p>
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		<title>By: John Yorke</title>
		<link>http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2005/02/09/walid-shoebat-f/#comment-4039</link>
		<dc:creator>John Yorke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jul 2006 16:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fundemental pressure that feeds this  conflict between the Palestinians and Israelis is not religion but land. Muslims regard themselves, Christians and Jews as all being children of the Book but think that what has been revealed to them by the prophet is the updated version of God's plan for mankind.  Judeo-Christian tradition has required the faithful to love their neighbour/enemy as they would themselves, a task more often honoured in the breach than in the observance.  In theory, according to religious benchmarks, we should all be getting along quite famously at this point in time. Instead the real pressure is the one exerted by questions over a surprisingly small section of the earth's surface. Israel/Palestine;  who owns it, who has the better claim on it, who controls it now and who should control it in the future. Land has ever been a primary consideration for many disparate groups long before religion came upon the scene. Today this conflict in the Middle East could be said to be almost genetic in its origins and duration, just one more painful genuflection to the territorial imperative.  

If we are ever to resolve the matter, we need to allow for this and other factors. Feelings, memories, insults, grievences and wrongs need to be addressed, to be diluted by time, to respond to them and to events without recourse to the sword on every occasion.  We know that land has always been the pivotal  point of contention here.  Shouldn't we therefore try to reverse-engineer the situation, making land part of the solution rather than the problem? 

For one method,  please follow the trail of breadcrumbs. It's a fairly short trail leading to a late-night conversation almost twenty years ago in what was then a quite unremarkable restaurant in Nurnburgh ( or Nurenberg if you prefer something more modern )

Search for 'Google',
Request in 'Google' the listings for  'Place4Peace'
Select second item listed. 
Follow as indicated. 


John Yorke,
Wirral,
UK

PS: If you're interested in golf, Tiger Woods is doing quite well at the Open which is a little way up the road from here. If only we all could do as well when it comes to finalising certain matters. I might even take up the sport myself - given the proper incentive!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fundemental pressure that feeds this  conflict between the Palestinians and Israelis is not religion but land. Muslims regard themselves, Christians and Jews as all being children of the Book but think that what has been revealed to them by the prophet is the updated version of God&#8217;s plan for mankind.  Judeo-Christian tradition has required the faithful to love their neighbour/enemy as they would themselves, a task more often honoured in the breach than in the observance.  In theory, according to religious benchmarks, we should all be getting along quite famously at this point in time. Instead the real pressure is the one exerted by questions over a surprisingly small section of the earth&#8217;s surface. Israel/Palestine;  who owns it, who has the better claim on it, who controls it now and who should control it in the future. Land has ever been a primary consideration for many disparate groups long before religion came upon the scene. Today this conflict in the Middle East could be said to be almost genetic in its origins and duration, just one more painful genuflection to the territorial imperative.  </p>
<p>If we are ever to resolve the matter, we need to allow for this and other factors. Feelings, memories, insults, grievences and wrongs need to be addressed, to be diluted by time, to respond to them and to events without recourse to the sword on every occasion.  We know that land has always been the pivotal  point of contention here.  Shouldn&#8217;t we therefore try to reverse-engineer the situation, making land part of the solution rather than the problem? </p>
<p>For one method,  please follow the trail of breadcrumbs. It&#8217;s a fairly short trail leading to a late-night conversation almost twenty years ago in what was then a quite unremarkable restaurant in Nurnburgh ( or Nurenberg if you prefer something more modern )</p>
<p>Search for &#8216;Google&#8217;,<br />
Request in &#8216;Google&#8217; the listings for  &#8216;Place4Peace&#8217;<br />
Select second item listed.<br />
Follow as indicated. </p>
<p>John Yorke,<br />
Wirral,<br />
UK</p>
<p>PS: If you&#8217;re interested in golf, Tiger Woods is doing quite well at the Open which is a little way up the road from here. If only we all could do as well when it comes to finalising certain matters. I might even take up the sport myself - given the proper incentive!</p>
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