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  1. Noam R. reported on the secret arrest of Palestinian journalist Majd Kayyal. Wasn’t that the legal reason why he was summoned and warned? Violating the Court’s gag order ?

    1. @ Jackdaw: You have no idea how annoying it is when you ask questions specifically answered in the sources to which I link. Please read them now & receive your answer. I did read them which is why I didn’t make the mistake you did.

  2. Reading along … I really did expect you to name names! What a depressing report. BTW, wasn’t WWII initiated on September 1, 1939?

  3. “..Shabak officers named Zaki and Rona (who also interrogated Yonatan Shapira and other activists”
    Isn’t Yonatan Shapira the bad boy anarchist who sprayed graffiti against the Gaza blockade on the site where the Warsaw Ghetto stood?

        1. @ dcdoc1: Shapira sought to point out the connection between the suffering of those in the Warsaw Ghetto and those in the Gaza Ghetto. Israel’s shame. For that, I salute him.

          But aside from this, by what right do the Israeli secret police summon him for interrogation about a “crime” (not even) committed under foreign jurisdiction? What friggin’ business is it of theirs? Or do they think it’s their job to police activities by Jews around the globe by virtue of Israel being the State of the entire Jewish people? In that case, perhaps we should have an international Jewish Politburo like the Communist Party used to have. This way, they could rule on what makes a Good Jew or Good Zionist & what makes a bad?!

          I’m sick & tired of this hasbara trope. Bring it up against & your moderated.

          1. Jackdaw effectively brought up this person Yonatan Shapira out identifying him only as a “bad boy anarchist who sprayed graffiti against the Gaza blockade on the site where the Warsaw Ghetto stood.” You angrily retorted that he is “a brave peace activist who was one of the first IDF refusers…no ‘bad boy’ except to pro-Israel patriots.” Not knowing who the person was after you and Jackdaw took your shots, I thought to look Shapira up report back that Shapira said he graffitied the Warsaw Ghetto sight as a gesture of support for BDS of Israel.

            You are free to believe whatever you wish, including along with Shapira that the Israelis/Jews are imposing suffering on the residents of Gaza comparable to what the Nazis imposed on those they confined in the Warsaw Ghetto before the destroyed and dispatched its survivors to death camps. It seems less than 100% consistent, though, to say you will not permit the baldly antisemitic Israelis=Nazis trope, while making, or approving, that analogy of the Warsaw Ghetto to the Gaza Ghetto[sic]. (In your view, was it the “Gaza Ghetto” between ’48 and ’67 when Egypt occupied it without objection by others and its circumstances were substantially worse than after Israel conquered the territory in June of ’67 before withdrawing after another 19 years?)

          2. @dcdoc1:

            You are free to believe whatever you wish, including along with Shapira that the Israelis/Jews are imposing suffering on the residents of Gaza comparable to what the Nazis imposed

            Neither I nor Shapira ever made this statement nor did either of us say Israelis were Nazis, but I don’t expect people like you to understand the nuance. But I do demand either a correction or apology from you. If your next comment doesn’t contain one, you will be moderated till you do.

            Gaza is a prison, a ghetto much like the Warsaw ghetto. Israel hasn’t created concentration camps for Gazans yet, but given Israel’s trajectory that could be in the offing. So it’s entirely apt to note the similarities in the two respective situations.

            Gaza’s situation today under Israeli occupation is substantially better than under Egyptian rule? By what measure? Did Egyptians measure the calories they allowed into Gaza? Stop talking nonsense. It’s offensive.

  4. [RA: “You are free to believe whatever you wish, including along with Shapira that the Israelis/Jews are imposing suffering on the residents of Gaza comparable to what the Nazis imposed on those they confined in the Warsaw Ghetto before the destroyed and dispatched its survivors to death camps.”]

    [RS: “Neither I nor Shapira ever made this statement…”]

    [YS: “I wanted to start by saying that my whole presence in Poland was part of promoting the BDS (Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions) campaign…Resistance to the starvation of humans and their confinement into ghettos.” http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2010/07/07/18652903.php%5D

    During the course of the interview by a most friendly and like-minded interviewer, Shapira returned repeatedly to the subject of Holocaust and Nazis while speaking alternately about the Warsaw Ghetto and the so-called Gaza “Ghetto”[sic]. Read the Shapira piece to which I have linked and explain any “nuance” that makes clear that Shapira intends no obscene and ahistoric analogy of Israelis to Nazis please identify and explain that “nuance.”

    Does the same “nuance” make clear that you intend no analogy of Israelis to Nazis when you write, “Israel hasn’t created concentration camps for Gazans YET (emphasis add), BUT (emphasis added) given Israel’s TRAJECTORY (emphasis added)(what “points on the trajectory to concentration camps you imagine?) that COULD BE (emphasis added). So it’s entirely apt to note the similarities in the two respective situations.” And while you write that, you will deny that you employ the Israelis-as-Nazis trope favored by progressives?

    [RS: “Gaza’s situation today under Israeli occupation is substantially better than under Egyptian rule? By what measure?]

    By all the objective ones from that time and now. [Baster, James, “Economic Problems in the Gaza Strip,” Middle East Journal, Vol. 9, No. 3 (Summer, 1955), pp. 323-327.]

    1. @ Dddoc1: I’ve only allowed this comment without your correcting your error this time. But if your next comment doesn’t contain one you will be permanently moderated or banned. BTW, I think you’ve already been moderated. If I find that is the case, then the next step would be banning.

      I didn’t say find a speech Shapira made which proves your point. I said show that he did. Quote a statement he made that equates Israel to Nazis or says the Holocaust is what Israel is doing to the Palestinians. I’m not going to read anything you link to. That’s your job. I want you to bring the evidence, if you find any, here. I didn’t make the claim, you did.

      Regarding your false claim that either of us said Israel=Nazis, what is it in the phrase “not yet” you don’t understand? You missed the lesson in school on nuance, didn’t you?

      You quote a book from 1955 claiming it proves that Gaza’s predicament under Egypt was worse than Israel’s Occupation today? Is there something missing here? You bet there is. Let’s see if you can figure it out.

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