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  1. From your earlier tweet: Tikun Olam @richards1052
    Bibi’s lies: ‘Israel will always preserve equal rights, personal and civil, of all citizens, Jews & non-Jews as 1.” [http://] buff.ly/1jny8jw

    I wrote a diary covering all elements from Feiglin, third temple to price tag terrorism in Israel – Netanyahu Confirms Apartheid State of Israel. The war of words is reaching levels not seen before after Goebbels and indeed the Nazi era of the 1930s in Germany with propaganda films by Leni Riefenstahl. Waiting for Marlene Dietrich to come forward in Israel.

      1. @ Jackdaw: What you conveniently neglect is the replacement terms the author suggests to describe Israel: “settler colonialism” and “pro-settler military occupation.” I’ll be so generous as to allow you to take your pick among the three. Which one do you prefer?

        1. I don’t neglect anything.
          Both “settler colonialism” and “pro-settler military occupation” are apt descriptions of the Occupation.
          ‘Apartheid State’ is a just a misplaced hate word.

          The one small problem with “settler colonialism” and “pro-settler military occupation” is that Jews are not new to Judea and Samaria and that Jews had lived in Hevron and the Etzion bloc until forced out by the Arabs.

          Am I wrong?

          1. Jews are not new to Judea and Samaria?
            The point is that the settlers are new to ‘Judea’ and ‘Samaria’. (B.t.w. Do you propose we call Istanbul ‘Byzantium’ too?)

      2. In a sense I would agree with Jackdaw. The legal definition of apartheid implies a static situation, and the situation in the Levant is anything but static. Israel is not interested in “maintaining” its subjugation of the Palestinians; rather, that subjugation is a means to the end of eliminating the Palestinian presence in the Levant. The term “apartheid” fails to come to terms with Israel’s actual intentions: “ethnic cleansing” and “genocide” are the terms that really apply.

        1. @Andy

          The State of Israel is home to 1.5 million Palestinians who are generally pleased with their citizenship and don’t feel ethnically cleansed.
          Genocide? How many Palestinians has Israel killed over a total of 66 years? Twenty-thousand?
          How many Jews have Palestinians killed over a total of 66 years? Ten thousand?

          This numbers of fatalities suggest a pretty weak effort at ‘genocide’.

          Am I wrong?

          1. I’m not willing to take your word for it that the Palestinians in Israel proper “are generally pleased with their citizenship”; after all, as Adalah has documented, there are dozens of laws that discriminate against them. Do you support the repeal of each and every one of these laws?

            My comment was about the situation in the West Bank, however. Are you an American, Jackdaw? Israel is carrying out its elimination of the West Bank Palestinians in s-l-o-w m-o-t-i-o-n so that Americans, with their 10-minute attention spans, do not grasp what is going on. Moreover, Israel behaves as it does because it calculates that it will be successful in its plan to drive the Palestinians off the land.

            If Israel were really interested in co-existing with the Palestinians, then it would open the settlements to Palestinian residents. Do you see that happening anytime soon? Would you agree with me that Israel should open the settlements to Palestinian residents, and that the Palestinians have just as much right to live in the settlements as do Jews?

            If Israel could wave a magic wand and transport the Palestinians to Mars without killing them, then it would do that, so it is fair enough to take issue with my use of the word “genocide”. But it is disingenuous on your part to claim that “ethnic cleansing” does not apply to Israel: that Israel wants the Palestinians gone is clear to anyone paying attention.

          2. @Andy

            “Israel is carrying out its elimination of the West Bank Palestinians in s-l-o-w m-o-t-i-o-n”
            Your proposition is idiotic. But what more can you expect from a person who takes the time to hyphenate ‘slow motion’.

            Elimination? Have you begged off the ‘genocide’ slur?

          3. @ Jackdaw:

            1.5 million Palestinians who are generally pleased with their citizenship and don’t feel ethnically cleansed.

            Never ceases to amaze me how someone using a New York City IP address can speak on behalf of “1.5 million Palestinians!” How did you earn this honor? Did they make you their chosen representative? Do you have some sort of telepathic knowledge of what Palestinians believe? Have you done polling research?

            The truth of the matter is that Israeli Palestinians have a very complicated, ambivalent relationship with their Jewish fellow Israelis and the State.

            How many Palestinians has Israel killed over a total of 66 years? Twenty-thousand?
            How many Jews have Palestinians killed over a total of 66 years? Ten thousand?

            The “kill ratio” is six to one. So about 3,000 Israelis have died during that period. Not that you care about facts. But for the sake of the truth which the rest of us do care about.

            Am I wrong?

            Amost always.

          4. @ Jackdaw:

            There’s nothing “idiotic” about ethnic cleansing; however, I realize you are blind to the Palestinians and their victimization at Israel’s hands.

            My use of the term “genocide” is not a “slur”; consider the following text in Wikipedia’s Genocide entry:

            While a precise definition varies among genocide scholars, a legal definition is found in the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG). Article 2 of this convention defines genocide as “any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.”

            This will be my last comment in this thread. The last word is yours, Jackdaw.

        2. @ Andy: I would agree with use of the term “ethnic cleansing,” but we’re far from legitimately using the term “genocide.” It could in the future move in that direction. But not yet. Which is why it’s important to be vigilant.

  2. The boundary-rejiggering (transfer-lite) idea is important (to me) for this reason: it shows that important Israelis do not regard Israel’s borders as permanent (which we knew — they clearly contemplated growing the territory) and contemplate reducing the territory of Israel (removing Israel from parts of Palestine occupied in 1948) as well as increasing it.

    Simply: Israel has no intrinsic territory, all is in flux, all is negotiable, the civil war of 1948 (which is one way to look at the settler-colonialist-invasion of 1900-1948) continues and territorial boundaries are up in the air. This negates the idea (which might, in extremis someday, be offered to the UN and EU, the claim that Israeli territory IS EXACTLY the territory of 1948-1966.

    Last night I heard Norman Finkelstein talk. He was wonderful as usual and I almost understood his very firm, very principled rejection of BDS (with which I disagree). He mentioned in some context that there was no chance of a “snoball in hell” for something to happen soon — peace? justice? Anyhow, “snowball” has another resonance.

    If the Kerry withdrawal is or becomes a hand-off from the US to UN/EU of the I/P problem, and if the UN/EU begin to feel their strength (and escape from under the thumb of the USA) and, of course, see any reason to act on I/P, THEN their efforts no matter how directed initially may SNOWBALL with increasing effort and, as might happen, increasing success.

    And I ask: why should the UN/EU, seeing that Israeli ministers see no necessary permanence of the 1948-1966 Israeli borders limit their efforts to restoring those borders? If they are pushing Israel with sanctions to remove settlers, settlements, wall, and siege, why not also push for a return to the borders proposed by UNGA in 1947 (What Abba Eban called Israel’s birth certificate)? Why allow the spoils of the war of 1948 while not allowing the spoils of the war of 1967?

    Will there be any SNOBALLS under global warming?

  3. I think the Nazi analogy, the “Triumph” analogy, is apt. It’s not hard to envision a torchlight ceremony of true Jews forming a Magen David on the Israeli field. (Or maybe this has already happened at one or another ceremony??) If we consider the decades of Palestinian oppression and dispossession, not to mention kill ratios of the conflagrations, plus the obvious effort to disappear Palestinian life and culture, this might all qualify as genocide to a future historian with sufficient perspective. Lastly, many believe that there are repetitious elements in history. If there were not, there would be little value in studying history and the “Triumph” analogy would have little meaning. I just don’t understand how RS is compelled to make the analogy and then qualify it at length even before any question is raised.

    1. @ David:

      I just don’t understand how RS is compelled to make the analogy and then qualify it at length even before any question is raised.

      I know some of those right-wing readers better than you, apparently!! I like to head ’em off at the pass if I can.

      1. Yeah — that would send discussion into the ozone yet again. For the record — Jewish Nationalism is becoming as repulsive as any nationalism in history.

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