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AIPAC’s Pact With the Christian Zionist Devil

john hagee addressing aipac conferenceAIPAC honors John Hagee, believer in second Jewish Holocaust (credit: Jerusalemonline.com)

Pastor John Hagee is the Father Coughlin of Christian evangelical preachers. He may not be an out and out anti-Semite like Father Coughlin, who after all hated ALL Jews while Hagee only hates liberal Jews–but with friends like Hagee, believe me, Jews need no enemies. How else to describe a man who predicts a new Holocaust against the Jews which will lead to the Second Coming (see below)?

Much has been written about the growing alliance between Israel, her hardline Jewish supporters, and Christian Zionists. I’ve written here about Rabbis Yechiel Eckstein and Daniel Lapin and their “mission” to the evangelical community. But nowhere has the danger that Christian Zionism poses for Israel been focussed more clearly than in Hagee’s speech to the AIPAC’s national policy conference. The group’s national leadership made yet another terrible error in judgment in inviting him. Oh he gave a stem-winding pro-Israel speech, all right. Full of fire and brimstone toward the “terrorist” enemies of the Israel. Full of red meat for the 6,000 hardline pro-Israel delegates. It earned him multiple standing ovations.

I’ve transcribed some of the more disturbing portions of the speech (see video). We’ll follow that with other deeply troubling passages which Hagee wrote or spoke in other settings which present his views in a far more alarming light:

Ladies and gentlemen of AIPAC, it’s a new day in America. The sleeping giant of Christian Zionism has awakened. There are 50 million Christians standing up and applauding the State of Israel!

As you know, the state of Iran poses a nuclear threat to the State of Israel that promises nothing less than a nuclear Holocaust. I have been saying on national television: “It is 1938, Iran is Germany and Ahmedinejad is the new Hitler.” Ladies and gentlemen, we must stop Iran’s nuclear threat and stop it now and stand boldly in Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East.

The only way to win a nuclear war is to make certain it never starts. Iran’s president has not limited his maniacal threats to Israel. He has also asked his fellow Iranians to imagine a world without America. This is a clear threat to destroy the United States of America. I have something to say to the president of Iran: “Mr Ahmedinejad, don’t threaten America! Do not threaten Israel by saying ‘they will pass away in a sudden storm’…”

Mr. Ahmedinejad, threats against Israel have a way of becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. You may well be talking about your own demise when you talk about passing away in a sudden storm. But you are not talking about Israel’s future…

Israel was miraculously born May 15, 1948. Israel lives. Shout it from the housetops: Israel lives. Let every Islamic terrorist group hear it: Israel lives. Let every tin horn dictator in the Middle East hear it: Israel lives. Let it be heard in the halls of the UN: Israel lives. Let it echo down the marble halls of the presidential palace in Iran: Israel lives. Let it ? in the terrorist camps of Osama bin Laden: Israel lives…

We cannot change the [Jewish suffering of the] past. But together we can shape the future. Think of our future together. 50 million evangelicals joining in common cause with 5 million Jewish people in America on behalf of Israel is a match made in heaven.

Let the word go forth from Washington, D.C. tonight there is a new beginning in America between Christians and Jews…We have organized Christians United for Israel. We have 13 regional directors. We have 40 state directors. We have 80 city directors and they’re growing. We’re organizing Congressional district by Congressional district so that as a body we can stand up and speak up for Israel every year in Washington, D.C. And Congress will know that the matter of Israel is no longer just a Jewish issue. It is a Christian-Jewish issue from this day forward.

In closing, I believe 207 [sic] is a year of destiny. America and Israel are at war with a common enemy. It is a war of good versus evil. It is a war of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness versus the culture of death…

Ladies and gentlemen, as Christians and Jews our aim is victory. Victory for Israel. Victory in our time. May God bless Israel. May God bless America. And God bless you.

If this speech isn’t bad enough, we should flesh out some of what he alludes to above with earlier quotations, in which he makes those views even more shockingly clear. Here’s what Hagee has in mind for Iran according to the Talk2Action website which monitors the Christian Right:

…On July 19, 2006, at a CUFI’s Washington DC inaugural event, with GOP Party head Ken Mehlman and US GOP Senators Sam Brownback, Rick Santorum, Kay Bailey-Hutchinson and John Cronyn in attendance (President George W. Bush sent recorded greetings to the event ) , Pastor John Hagee declared:

The United States must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God’s plan for both Israel and the West… a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran, which will lead to the Rapture, Tribulation […] and [the] Second Coming of Christ.”

Hagee subsequently wrote, in a Charisma Magazine editorial entitled “The Coming Holy War”, that the preemptive attack he advocates should be carried out with nuclear weapons

Hagee called the 2006 summer Israeli bombing and invasion of Southern Lebanon a “miracle of God”…

Oh, and in case you were wondering–we Jews were responsible for bringing the Holocaust upon ourselves. Not ALL Jews of course. Only the godless, liberal Jews. The ones who build idols and worshiped other gods than the One True God:

“It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God’s chosen people, to their covenantal responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day….

How utterly repulsive, insulting, and heartbreaking to God for His chosen people to credit idols with bringing blessings He had showered upon the chosen people. Their own rebellion had birthed the seed of anti-Semitism that would arise and bring destruction to them for centuries to come…. it rises from the judgment of God upon his rebellious chosen people.” ( “Jerusalem Countdown: A Prelude To War”, paperback edition, pages 92 and 93 )

The only way Hagee’s messiah can come according to his theological understanding is if all Jews return to the Promised Land. And in some perverse way, the Holocaust started the ball rolling on that. God used both the early Zionists AND Nazis (!) to pursue his divine plan for returning all the Jews to their homeland:

The Prophet Jeremiah… paints a vivid picture of the human agents God intended to use to bring the Jewish people back to Israel:

‘But now I will send for many fisherman’, declares the Lord’, ‘and they will catch them. After that I will send for many hunters and they will hunt them down on every mountain and hill and from the crevices of the rocks.’

…First, God sent the fisherman to Israel. These were the Zionists, men like Theodore Herzl who called for the Jews of Europe and the World to come to Palestine and establish the Jewish state. The Jews were encouraged to escape while there was still time….

[Then] God sent the hunters. The hunter is one who pursues his target with force and fear. No one could see the horror of the Holocaust coming, but the force and fear of Hitler’s Nazis drive the Jewish people back to the only home God ever intended for the Jews to have-Israel…. I am stricken with awe and wonder at his boundless love for Israel and the Jewish people…( “Jerusalem Countdown”, paperback edition, pages 132 and 133 )

With boundless love like that who needs who needs real enemies?

And if you’re a Jew who detests Hagee’s views, well then, you probably would’ve brought on the Holocaust had you lived a few generations earlier; and you’re definitely “poisoned”:

In a July 26, 2006 interview with the San Antonio Times, Hagee [said]:

“I think if I could put a dividing line, the Orthodox and Conservatives who have a Torah appreciation give us wholehearted support. The rest who are not driven by the Word of God have a liberal agenda.

And the liberal agenda is they are pro-abortion. They’re pro-homosexual. They’re pro-gay marriage — they want men to marry men and women to marry women — and their difference with me is not really what I’m doing with Israel. Their hostility to me is poisoned by their liberalism.”

Here’s some more of Hagee’s apocalyptic interpretation of current Mideast developments. It’ll make your hair stand on end:

Russia with Arab allies will plot and plan Israel’s destruction. That’s happening right now. It has been happening for 10 years. Iran’s nuclear weapons have been produced with Russian scientists. The Islamic Arabs are using the Roadmap to Peace to get all of the land of Israel they can get. And when Israel finally says, `Enough!’ you’re going to see the beginning of the implementation of Ezekiel’s war in 38:39. The critical point is the church is raptured before this war begins. I am telling you that makes this message one of the most thrilling prophetic messages you’ve ever heard in your life. You could get raptured out of this building before I get through finished preaching. We are that close to the coming of the Son of Man.–September 18, 2006 interview in WHYY’s “Fresh Air” with Terry Gross

You will undoubtedly be happy to know that a small remnant will survive “Ezechiel’s war.” And they’ll be Jewish too. But not Jews as you and I would know them. No, they’ll be Jews who accept the teaching of that great rabbi, Jesus Christ:

“Who is this remnant [those who will survive] ?

First, it’s obvious that all of that remnant is Jewish…..

God promises that by his sovereign grace a “remnant” would be saved by the grace of God, a group of survivors who have the opportunity to receive Messiah, who is a rabbi known to the world as Jesus Christ.” (Jerusalem Countdown, paperback edition, pages 192 and 194)

Unfortunately, most of the rest of us Jews will be killed off in that epic battle. One of Hagee’s CUFI board members describes the coming Jewish “Holocaust”:

As recounted by Terje Langeland, reporting for the Colorado Springs Independent in 2003, one of Pastor John Hagee’s CUFI board members, George Morrison, expresses his sense of how Israeli and Israeli Jews will fare in the apocalyptic scenario Hagee and others long for:

…”The European Union, he says, might be the alliance of nations that according to prophecy will join the Arabs to wage war against Israel during the final days.

“Great wars will begin to take place” Morrison says in a matter-of-fact voice. “Those wars are going to involve nukes.”

The extent of the destruction will prompt Jesus to return in order to stop it, Morrison believes. Unfortunately, he says, many Jews will be killed.

“It’s another Holocaust, if you will” Morrison says. “

Finally, this portion of the Talk2Action critique of Hagee’s modus operandi makes clear that Hagee is one smooth operator who has duped AIPAC. He says one message to Jews and quite another to his evangelical friends:

When talking to many Jews and Israelis, Hagee seems stress the need to protect Israel and promises his group’s unwavering support for what Hagee calls God’s historic covenant with Jews to whom, Hagee believes, God gave the historical lands of Israel for perpetuity.

When talking to the Christian Zionists of CUFI, however, Hagee speaks of other matters : the need for an apocalyptic war in the Mideast that will trigger the “Rapture” of fundamentalist Christians into Heaven but also kill, Hagee believes, most Jews now living. That “necessary” war (necessary to trigger the “Rapture”: of Christians, that is ) may even lead, Hagee speculates in “Jerusalem Countdown”, to massive nuclear strikes that will destroy America’s East and West coasts and kill hundreds of millions and which would amount to, Hagee feels, divine punishment visited, via ICBM, on liberal Americans for insufficient support for the sort of far right, even fringe, Israeli politics Hagee promotes.

So, one must ask, when John Hagee tells us of the blessed event of his rapture-seeking evangelicals joining together with AIPAC and its supporters to create a Christian-Jewish uber-lobby for Israel that will lead to a Holocaust that will kill millions of Jews–is this the kind of support that Israel can afford??

Thanks to Muzzlewatch for providing the initial intellectual provocation for this post.

{ 25 comments… add one }
  • Dameocrat March 13, 2007, 4:00 AM

    I think they are aware of their views. Their are many secular conservatives that also support a first strike nuclear attack against Iran. Cheney, Rumsfield and Perle come to mind.

  • samuel burke March 13, 2007, 6:22 AM

    I guess the fifty million supporters haggee claims could provide some political support for the agenda of aipac/israel. The far right fringes of both of these groups have come together as a fascist monolith which could be a force to be feared. Given the right patriotic circumstances other voices could be silenced very effectively by this majority.

  • CHAIM March 13, 2007, 9:45 AM

    you have got it i million per cent wrong,the biggest threat to israel and the jewish people is none other,then our own so called government in israel,led by the criminally insane traitorous,feckless,disaster named olmert,

  • Richard Silverstein March 14, 2007, 12:23 AM

    Chaim: Olmert may be a disaster but it’s outrageous to call him a traitor–unless of course you’re a Kahanist. I wonder how you can claim that a Christian demagogue who loves Jews only because they’re going to bring the Second Coming (& get killed in the process) is NOT a threat to Jews?

  • Dan Sniderman March 14, 2007, 6:29 AM

    Haggee’s claims of 50 million is way overblown. I have some insight on the Christians right – as my father-in-law is a very religious Christian. It’s hard to draw too many conclusions from what is essentially an “anecdote” – but I do believe there are a sizable number of people who think like he does….

    While he natrually holds anti-gay and anti-abortion beliefs, he really bought into the right-wing political agenda over their propaganda and his disgust over Clinton’s behavior in the Lewinski scandal. He was solidly pro-Bush in the first election. He has solid beliefs about the environment (Christians are the stewards of the world) and very strong beliefs about the poor – and bought into the “Compassionate Conservatism credo)

    Over time he has become more and more disillusioned with the Bush camp. He reluctantly supported Bush in 2004 – and as the war took a turn for the worse he has become solidly anti-war. He has subsequently changed churchs (over many issues not just politics – but all related to a clear hypocracy by the leadership of the church) and found one that is patently un-political and feels that politics and religion have no place mixing.

    When you hear the numbers claimed by political support by the leadership of the Chrisitian right – I think you must take them with a grain of salt. They may have many people who accept their theological beliefs – but I don’t think that will continue be able to count on them on supporting their political agenda.

  • samuel burke March 14, 2007, 10:35 AM

    while you do make very good and valid points, i would like to bring forward what i believe is also a very important issue to the christians, mainly israel. If the argument is framed properly by the war party/fascist, and it is made to revolve around ahmadinejads hitlerlike attitude and the destruction of israel, the christians will follow like the proverbial lemmings off a cliff. Nevermind that the cia especulates that they will not be able to have nuclear weapons until sometime mid next decade, where israel is concerned, christians-ziionists believe that we should support that state irrespective of what it does. I would also like to say that christians only know about the mythical israel and have no idea about it’s present religious beliefs or its political reality. The middle east truly needs peace above anything, this area of the world, because of oil, represents a clear and present danger to the world if the parties involved cannot move beyond the greed and racism that drives them.

    i wish i were wrong, but the crusaders are riding again in the middle east.

  • lester ness March 14, 2007, 3:43 PM

    Thanks for taking the millenialists seriously. Most political commentators pretend they don’t exist.

  • Richard Silverstein March 14, 2007, 4:49 PM

    Most political commentators pretend they don’t exist.

    I’ve never felt that way. But I sometimes don’t know how much of a threat they pose. And their views are SO alien to the views of the vast majority of the rest of the country and world. One doesn’t know quite what to make of it sometimes. But putting him in front of 4,000 AIPAC leaders was such an outrage, I couldn’t ignore it.

  • Bruce Wilson March 15, 2007, 5:35 AM

    Responding to something Dan Sniderman said, about Hagee’s environmental position :

    John Hagee has signed on with a bloc of evangelical leaders trying to force NAE Vice President Richard Cizic to step down because of Cizic’s efforts to get the NAE to take a stand and advocate for action to address Global Warming. A strong majority of NAE members believe, according to a recent poll, that Global Warming is a threat.

    John Hagee’s concept of “stewardship” is not what many would consider “pro environment”.

    To begin with,. nuclear war – which Hagee advocates – would be a human and environmental disaster. And, the WW3 he both warns of and clamors or would hinder or prevent meaningful global cooperation to address Global Warming and other pressing planetary environmental problems.

  • samuel burke March 15, 2007, 8:48 AM

    Richard you have nothing to apologize for as far as i can see, john haggee is stepping way far out of his christian position by agitating for a war on muslims where real life men and women will lose their lives in the name of the galilean who laid down his life for john haggee and the rest of the world according to the bible new testament. I am hoping to attend the first john haggee service near me, i intend on standing up in the middle of his service and ask him how he can advocate for a crusade to kill muslims in the name of jesus christ. i will ask john if jesus would have ever advocated for the death of roman soldiers in his day. The christian lobby represent a huge voting block that if harnessed like in the past can help to elect the right man for the wrong job, george bush received the christian lobby vote in his last election mainly because of his born again status and his strong stand against the muslim extremist. i am repulsed by his stance as a crusader in the name of christians in america. i would love to see jewish americans take him on and call him out on the hateful things he has said.

  • Irving Spielberg March 17, 2007, 10:14 AM

    For what it’s worth, there’s a historical item I discovered on the Google engine that can probably redden some faces. It is titled Roots of (Warlike) Christian Zionism. Check it out. Irv

  • tangentlama March 20, 2007, 3:03 AM

    This demystifies : The Doomsday Code 1hr 41 min – presented by Tony Robinson

    Tony Robinson travels to America, the Middle East, the Mediterranean and Africa to gather evidence that might uncover the realities behind the prophecies contained within the Book of Revelation. He interviews people who believe millions will be spirited up to Heaven, Israel will fight a nuclear war, that the Secretary General of the UN will be unmasked as the Anti-Christ and the world will end after the Battle of Armageddon

    I watched it and it helped me to understand the Christian Eschatologist view of our world.

  • tangentlama March 20, 2007, 3:05 AM


    Please do it. Please.


  • tangentlama March 20, 2007, 3:29 AM

    I am deeply disturbed by Hagee’s writings on Fishermen and Hunters here. It is time to look more closely at the links between American Fascists and the Evangelical Right (beginning with Billy Graham in the 50s) the oilmen/arms manufacturers (e.g.Russell Maguire), post 1950s antisemitism in the form of anticommunist/trades unionist/assimilationist govt. policies, as well as the financial support for Hitler’s regime via Wall Street, incl. that of Bush’s own grandfather, the work of Gershom Gorenberg and Chris Hedges.

    A war on two fronts – they play off Jews off against Muslims to weaken both, not caring if we are all destroyed in the process.
    They don’t care for any of the real flesh and blood humans who live in the Middle East, whether Jewish, Muslim or Christian, Zorastrian, Ba’hai, etc.

  • Deborah March 21, 2007, 8:31 AM

    Actually, there won’t be a “rapture” (John 17:15 and 20). Actually, no Muslim, no nobody, is going to “hell for eternity” (1Timothy 2:3-4). Actually, it is clearly obvious that by wishing nuclear war on anyone for the sake of a “rapture of the Church” and the destruction of 2/3 of Jews…well doesn’t that make Hagee worse than Hitler? And yes I heard him last night on TBN (?) telling his “flock” that Iran had nukes…amazing! Even Bush…even Cheney!…even Olmert!…has never made that claim! Far from being a man of Christ, he is clearly anti-Christ (and I don’t mean the so-called “AntiChrist” of Revelation either, a doctrine that is also false.)

  • Howard Hoffman March 30, 2007, 3:31 PM

    I heard John Hagee, and he was wonderful. Furthermore, At the AIPAC conferences in 2006 and 2007, I met many Christian supporters of Israel (many of whom were college students). Those of you doubting the motives of Hagee and other Evangelical Christians should come to an AIPAC conference for yourselves and discover how wrong you are. Short of that, please read “Standing With Israel: Why Chrisitans Support the Jewish State” by David Brog. Brog was Chief of Staff to Sen Arlen Spector. If you ever wondered abou the roots of Christian anti-Semitism (I know that I did), then Brog’s book is a must read. If, more importantly, you want to read about why so many American Christians support Israel and reject anti-Semitism, then you also owe it to yourself to read this incredibly well-written book. Brog participated in a forum at the 2006 AIPAC conference on Christian support for Israel. The panel also included two Christian pastors, both passionate supporters of Israel. By the end of the forum, everyone in the room was practically in tears and hugging everyone else in the room. It was one of the most moving experiences of my life. In his book, Brog describes how Hagee has donated millions of dollars to “. . . Jewish organizations that fund the imigration of Jews to Israel and one that supports Israeli orphans.” We need to know who are friends are, and certainly John Hagee is a great friend to the Jewish People and to Israel.

  • Richard Silverstein April 3, 2007, 10:58 PM

    By the end of the forum, everyone in the room was practically in tears and hugging everyone else in the room. It was one of the most moving experiences of my life.

    Why I’m-sniffle, sniffle–crying myself it’s all so goddamn moving. Why didn’t I ever see the error of my ways & embrace Pastor John & true Christian love for Zion?? But Howard, you’ve shown me the light. I’m signing up for next year’s AIPAC conference right after I publish this comment.

    I salute you Howard, showing us leftists that we’ve been on the wrong path for lo these many years. Keep up the good work for the Lord and Israel!

  • Howard Hoffman April 4, 2007, 7:41 AM

    Well, it does not bother me to be mocked. The top of this page says something about Tikkun Olam, making the world a better place. If what it takes to make the world a better place is to open your eyes and your mind and to consider new information, then you would be wise to do so. I met people at the AIPAC conference who were from left and right of the political spectrum. Certainly Nancy Pelosi is no right-winger, and she probably received the warmest welcome, both before and after her talk, of any person who addressed the conference.

  • Richard Silverstein April 4, 2007, 10:35 AM

    If what it takes to make the world a better place is to open your eyes and your mind and to consider new information, then you would be wise to do so.

    “New information?” What “new information?” You think a single word of what you’re peddling is “new information?” PUH-LEEZE! What you’re peddling is same-old, same-old my friend. Not a single new or interesting idea has crossed your mind in ages as far as the I-P conflict goes.

    I met people at the AIPAC conference who were from left and right of the political spectrum.

    Indeed you did. You actually met a few people who support KADIMA! Wow. That’s pretty far out there on the left end of the spectrum for folks like you, isn’t it??

    Nancy Pelosi is no right-winger, and she probably received the warmest welcome, both before and after her talk

    I thought you said you actually attended the conference. You mean you didn’t hear the boos that attended her critical references to U.S. Iraq policy? Please don’t come here to peddle bulls(&t. Hagee received an uproarious response fr. the crowd. Everyone who was there & wrote about it says so. Many other journalists who attended say Pelosi’s reception was polite, but hardly “the warmest.”

    Dems are on the outside looking in as far as AIPAC is concerned. The group is practically an extension of the Republican, neocon universe. Which is why Hagee is so adored & why you feel right at home.

  • Howard Hoffman April 4, 2007, 11:00 AM

    New information?” What “new information?

    If you have not read David Brog’s book, then you are ignoring an opportunity for lot’s of new information. The book is incredibly well-written and informative.

    I thought you said you actually attended the conference. You mean you didn’t hear the boos that attended her critical references to U.S. Iraq policy? Please don’t come here to peddle bulls(&t. Hagee received an uproarious response fr. the crowd. Everyone who was there & wrote about it says so. Many other journalists who attended say Pelosi’s reception was polite, but hardly “the warmest.”

    I heard the boos, which is why I specifically said that she was warmly received both before and after her talk. Some rude fools booed during her talk, but the reception was warm before and after. No one booed Cheney, but he did not receive a warm response at the end of his talk. I could have booed him, and so could many others, but we had more class than those who booed Pelosi.

    I am a registered Democrat. As a result of the Kerry bashing at the end of the 2006 Congressional campaign, I voted for only Dems in the last election. Being an open-minded person, I often vote for some Republicans, but not this last time. The majority of people in the conference were probably registered Democrats, although the group was probably more Republican than a random selection of Jews. And, as I pointed out, there were many non-Jews in attendance.

  • Richard Silverstein April 4, 2007, 5:12 PM

    Some rude fools booed during her talk

    Those “rude fools” were probably the national leadership of the organization. AIPAC has bipartisan support I grant you. But Dems are fools for being led by the nose by an organization, the majority of whose leaders hate everything Dems stand for.

    The majority of people in the conference were probably registered Democrats

    I am certain that this is not true. Besides, how do you know this to be true? Or are you merely conjecturing (not worth much I’m afraid)?

    the group was probably more Republican than a random selection of Jews.

    Gee, dya think? 77% of Jews are against the Iraq war. Do you think 77% of those attending the conference were opposed? Ehud Olmert isn’t opposed & told the conference goers so. John Hagee wasn’t opposed. The majority of Jews are opposed to an attack on Iran. Were the majority of conference goers opposed to such an attack? Of course not. You’re fooling yourself if you only believe AIPAC is slightly out of touch w. majority Jewish opinion.

    I am a registered Democrat.

    Many American Jews pride themselves on their liberalism or support of Dems. But when it comes to Israel they might as well be neocon/Likud supporters. Liberalism goes out the window. But of course they believe they’re liberals when it comes to Israel though nothing could be further fr. the truth.

  • Howard Hoffman April 4, 2007, 7:21 PM

    If the leadership of AIPAC did not want Pelosi to speak, then she would not have been there. She is very pro-Israel, confiding that she keeps copies of the dogtags of the three kidnapped Israeli soldiers hanging in her office to remind her of their continuing captivity every day. I met and talked to many people at the conference, often discussing political affiliation. I thank heaven for the Republican Jews who give credibility to the Jewish vote. The ethnic groups who support a single party are easily written off by politicians of both parties. I have attended meetings at AIPAC with both of my senators, Diane Feinstein and Barbara Boxer. I have also met with my congresswoman, Anna Eshoo, who is a close confidant of Nancy Pelosi. In any case, this thread started off about Christian supporters of Israel, John Hagee, in particular. I will take a John Hagee over anti-Israel extreme leftists like Noam Chomsky and Joel Beinen on most issues. But the great thing about Hagee is that his support is not conditional. It is not about politics for Hagee, but about belief and love.

    It is interesting that you could be “certain” about the political affiliation of AIPAC when you were not even there.

    By the way, I pride myself on using listening to people on both sides of an issue and using my brain. I really do not like either party that much. And I am increasingly connected to AIPAC, so I am not fooling myself about any aspect of that outstanding organization.

  • Richard Silverstein April 4, 2007, 8:16 PM

    The leadership of AIPAC could care 2 s(&%s about Nancy Pelosi. She’s the leading elected Dem in the country & they need a veneer of bipartisanship so they invite her & then let their leaders boo her.

    She is very pro-Israel, confiding that she keeps copies of the dogtags of the three kidnapped Israeli soldiers hanging in her office to remind her of their continuing captivity every day

    I’m touched. That and 6 bits will buy her a cup of coffee. Nancy Pelosi doesn’t have anything to do w. getting the IDF soldiers freed. That address is Hassan Nasrallah. As far as I’m concerned the dogtags are a bit of political theater.

    I thank heaven for the Republican Jews who give credibility to the Jewish vote.

    I wouldn’t attribute anything connected to politics to heaven. As for credibility, Jews who vote Republican have no credibility. They’re either rich fatcats or have the wool pulled over their eyes or both.

    I will take a John Hagee over anti-Israel extreme leftists like Noam Chomsky and Joel Beinen

    You poor sap. If it wouldn’t mean my own demise I’d say good riddance to both you & Hagee in his apocalyptic war in which 2/3 of yr kind are going to be incinerated in the coming Holocaust. You like Hagee’s support but swallow this theological swill he’s selling by saying it means nothing. Only the most base opportunist would do what you are doing by chumming around w. John Hagee.

    It is not about politics for Hagee, but about belief and love.

    Wise up buddy. Hagee doesn’t “love” you. You’re a mere tool for him, a foil to bring on the Rapture. He’d just as soon see you fry in the next Holocaust as he would look at you. You’re merely a means to an end.

    I pride myself on using listening to people on both sides of an issue

    You’re not here to “listen” to me & you know it. You’re here to project AIPAC’s pt. of view. You’re slumming among the lefties (in yr. view, that is).

    I am not fooling myself about any aspect of that outstanding organization.

    The mere fact that you call it “outstanding” means you’ve drunk the KoolAid w. all the rest of ’em. Maybe you can volunteer for the IAF or USAF and drop the big one on those Iranian mullah bastards. Do a great deed for yr people & help get Hagee that much closer to the End Times.

  • Paradigm October 8, 2007, 2:17 PM

    Armageddon Hawks are feeding misinformation to their jewish counterparts to make Israel behave in such a way that the Armageddonists’ vision of a the destruction of the middle east would come true. And have you heard? The vise president met with a group of Armageddon hawks. Only John Stewart saw it as newsworthy. (see it here http://unitedip.blogspot.com/2007/10/dick-cheney-meets-with-evangelical.html) I guess it’s not news worthy for Fox News.

  • Paul Richard Strange Sr December 27, 2010, 8:39 PM

    Dear Neighbors:
    This is a fascinating website! Believe it or not, I am a believer in the claims of the Apostles of Jesus Christ, with committment to historic confessional evangelical Christianity, who found myself ostracized by fellow evangelicals over the years because I STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH CHRISTIAN ZIONISM!
    The reasons for the United States of America to regard the modern State of Israel as a special friend make sense to me, without any need to take painful apocalyptic judgments upon nations from ancient history to the fall of the temple in First Century Jerusalem, and make them into a modern “Late Great Planet Earth”, or Hagee’s zionism, or any sin against the claims of the Apostles that true faith in Jesus Christ produces genuine brotherhood, and breaks down the wall of separation, based upon genetic ethnicity.
    Anyway, here’s someone who agrees with Evangelicals about the saving grace of God revealed in Jesus Christ, but who despises perversions of the Gospel that the NeoCon version of foreign policy has exploited to the hurt of the Christian goal of respect among all people everywhere.

    Paul Richard Strange Sr
    Waxhachie Texas

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